HELP - Need a Hammer V Spring Made

[sjstrey]

I have an old Belgian Bayard Side x Side Hammer 12GA. One of the V-Springs has broken, and none of the V-Spring kits I see online are going to work for a replacement. I'm looking for a real gunsmith, who can make this part for me.

Anyone have a suggestion?

Thanks

 

[oldstarfire]

May not be the answer you want.
As these Belgian guns can be similar, post a pic of the lock plate and the spring, possibly someone will have one close enough to work
or replace.
Getting a spring made may likely be expensive.
I made one, and it is a l o t of work, and then hope the heat treat is right........

 

[marshall]

what length ?

 

[mooncoon]

I have an old Belgian Bayard Side x Side Hammer 12GA. One of the V-Springs has broken, and none of the V-Spring kits I see online are going to work for a replacement. I'm looking for a real gunsmith, who can make this part for me.

Anyone have a suggestion?

Thanks

I can walk you through it , if you want to make it yourself. The only difficult part will be a source of heat --- I use a oxy propane cutting torch and 3/8 drill rod and no I don't want to make it myself

cheers mooncoon

 

[tokguy]

Or, just put a picture of the remnants up on here... beside a ruler preferably. I have ( guessing here, but not exaggerating) probably a couple dozen on the springs 'of the type' you want. Lots of Belgian parts and actions in my parts box.
If you don't have a picture, use the other side. Or you can send the deal to a gun plumber, Mooncoon... what is minimum charge of Gun Plumbing , 1 hour? 150 $?
If I have one, it'd probably be 20 $ or something, reimbursement for time spent wrapping and driving to the P.O. is all.
I don't mind finding parts a home...seems like the thing to do. They cost me nothing but goodwill, I can move that on down the line.
But not without a picture to compare against.

 

[sjstrey]

Thanks. Pics added in the original post. I probably could make one myself in a pinch, I have lots of spring steel, and a little forge setup, but it's a lot of work to put in, just to find out you got the heat treat wrong and have to start over. - I'd rather get it done right by someone with experience making these.

Cheers

Steve

 

[9.3mauser]

It's a 3 part video, you can look up the other two if you're interested.

 

[oldstarfire]

Well, not your "average" v type!
No need for a location pin, but some rather picky curves...
Note that the bend on the short end acts as the "rebound" for the hammer.
That little hook has to be right.
Just love to see firearm design variations!

There is a Bayard on EE!!

 

[mooncoon]

I probably could make one myself in a pinch, I have lots of spring steel, and a little forge setup, but it's a lot of work to put in, just to find out you got the heat treat wrong and have to start over. -

I don't make springs commercially but it takes me about 3 to 4 hours to make a spring. I make mainsprings from 3/8" drill rod and forge it to thickness etc. After hardening in water, I draw the temper in molten lead heated to between 720 and 740 F and I only recall having one break. I use a high temp thermometer to measure the temperature of the lead and keep the spring submerged for at least 3 minutes. I anneal the metal in wood ash. The hook on the tumbler end I sometimes bend to shape and sometimes leave a lump that I can file to shape. I leave a "fin" or strip on the upper leg and then grind and file that to the pin that goes into the side plate , once the spring is bent to shape and has reached the stage of fitting to the lock

cheers mooncoon

 

[mooncoon]

I just looked at the photos of your lock; that seems to be a comparatively easy one to make. Leave a lump at one end that you can file into the hook and cut the slot in the hook with a cutting wheel on a Dremel tool. Also, it looks fairly thick and you might find that making it about .080" thick will work well if you are using drill rod

cheers mooncoon

 

[gaff]

Gunco in Ottawa

 

[sjstrey]

Thanks for the help everyone. I actually found a cheapo parts gun on EE I’m going to pull the springs and stuff out of.

Steve