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hello....would anyone have an idea where to find load data for my new old marlin 95....3856......got dies moulds etc but no load data........thinking 3855 loads might work.....only for cast loading and just for fun.......thanks don
 
I'm pretty sure that "Pet Loads" has some data, and I know that Mike Venturino's book on Shooting Lever Guns of the Old West has data.

I owned one for a while but used black powder so didn't bother looking for smokeless data. The case capacity is a little more than a .38-55 so certainly loads for original rifles chambered in .38-55 woulds be close, but probably slightly on the light side.

If you haven't made brass yet, I found it pretty easy to make from .45-70. I didn't anneal, just ran it through a .40-65 sizer, then a .38-56 sizer. The one thing you might find is that a groove diameter bullet might not fit in the case. They didn't in my Winchester 1886, although the black powder load bumped them up to groove so they still shot pretty well. Part of the problem was also that the necks would have become a bit thicker sizing down from .45.

Good luck. It's a fun cartridge and I kind of regret selling that old 1886.

Chris.
 
hey thanks for the input....i used annealed 4570 then 41 mag die ..then anneal and 3856 sizer....less decaping assembly... the necks are very thick now ..so i have to make a pilot for the forester neck turner.....but.....all the extra brass thickness is inside the case and i need an undersize pilot to allow outside turning to a wall thickness of a 3855 that should let me use the decaping assembly i hope wish me luck don
 


38-55 Winchester / .38-55 WCF Pet Loads for Marlin 1893 & Winchester 1894 Rifles
Warning! Notes: All loads were chronographed in a Winchester Model 1894 rifle with 26-inch barrel. Accuracy testing was done with a Winchester High Wall single-shot rifle. Remington cases used with all loads in this test series. (Handloader Issue #61)
Be Alert: Publisher cannot be responsible for errors in published load data.

Wt. Bullet Powder Manufacturer Powder Charge Velocity (FPS) Favorite?
243 Lyman 375248 Winchester W-630 17 1,531
Remarks: primer: Fed. 210; excellent accuracy; match load
243 Lyman 375248 Winchester W-680 22 1,581
Remarks: primer: Fed. 210
243 Lyman 375248 Winchester W-296 22 1,674
Remarks: primer: Fed. 210
243 Lyman 375248 IMR IMR-4198 26 1,618
Remarks: primer: Rem. 9 1/2
243 Lyman 375248 Alliant RL-7 28 1,648
Remarks: primer: Rem. 9 1/2; good accuracy
243 Lyman 375248 Alliant RL-7 30 1,735
Remarks: primer: Rem. 9 1/2
243 Lyman 375248 Alliant RL-7 31 1,778
Remarks: primer: Rem. 9 1/2; maximum with cast bullets
243 Lyman 375248 IMR IMR-3031 30 1,654
Remarks: primer: Rem. 9 1/2
243 Lyman 375248 IMR IMR-3031 32 1,785
Remarks: primer: Rem. 9 1/2; maximum with cast bullets
243 Lyman 375248 IMR IMR-4895 30 1,609
Remarks: primer: Fed. 210
243 Lyman 375248 IMR IMR-4895 32 1,624
Remarks: primer: Rem. 9 1/2; very consistent; fine accuracy
243 Lyman 375248 IMR IMR-4895 35 1,795
Remarks: primer: Rem. 9 1/2; maximum with cast bullets
243 Lyman 375248 Winchester W-748 37 1,764
Remarks: primer: Rem. 9 1/2; maximum with cast bullets
255 Colorado FNSP IMR IMR-3031 32 1,696
Remarks: primer: Fed. 210
255 Colorado FNSP IMR IMR-3031 33 1,764
Remarks: primer: Fed. 210; accurate load
255 Colorado FNSP IMR IMR-4895 35 1,720
Remarks: primer: Fed. 210; accurate load
255 Colorado FNSP Alliant RL-7 32 1,735
Remarks: primer: Fed. 210; most accurate load
255 Colorado FNSP Winchester W-748 37 1,676
Remarks: primer: Fed. 210; maximum capacity load
255 Colorado FNSP Hodgdon H-322 32 1,570
Remarks: primer: Fed. 210; accurate with jacketed bullets
255 Colorado FNSP Hodgdon BL-C(2) 35 1,559
Remarks: primer: Win. 120
255 Colorado FNSP Hodgdon BL-C(2) 37.5 1,628
Remarks: primer: Win. 120
258 Ohaus 38250F Alliant RL-7 28 1,607
Remarks: primer: Fed. 210; excellent load
258 Ohaus 38250F Alliant RL-7 32 1,786
Remarks: primer: Rem. 9 1/2; maximum with cast bullets
258 Ohaus 38250F IMR IMR-4895 35 1,765
Remarks: primer: Rem. 9 1/2; very accurate; maximum with cast bullets

.38-56 WCF
Warning! NOTES: Rifle used was a Model 1886 Winchester with a .381-inch Barrel groove diameter. ("The Legacy of Lever Guns")
Be Alert: Publisher cannot be responsible for errors in published load data.
Wt. Bullet Powder Manufacturer Powder Charge Velocity (FPS) Favorite?

220 Barnes RN Alliant RL-7 34 1,750
Remarks: .375 inch bullet
220 Hornady flatnose Hodgdon H-335 38 1,950
Remarks: high velocity
250 Lyman 375248 IMR IMR-3031 30.5 1,450
Remarks: cast bullet
255 Barnes flatnose Hodgdon H-4895 40 1,828
Remarks: accuracy
274 RCBS 37-250 Hodgdon H-4198 27.6 1,547
Remarks: .381 inch bullet
274 RCBS 37-250 Accurate XMR-2495 33.4 1,452
Remarks: .381 inch bullet
274 RCBS 37-250 Hodgdon H-4895 34 1,671
Remarks: Group Size .75 (.381 inch bullet)
274 RCBS 37-250 Accurate XMR-2015 29.4 1,498
Remarks: .381 inch bullet
274 RCBS 37-250 Alliant RL-15 34.5 1,570
Remarks: .381 inch bullet
274 RCBS 37-250 Alliant RL-7 24 1,385
Remarks: .381 inch bullet
274 RCBS 37-250 Alliant RL-7 26 1,415
Remarks: .381 inch bullet
274 RCBS 37-250 Alliant RL-7 30 1,619
Remarks: Group Size 1.5 (.381 inch bullet)
274 RCBS 37-250 Hodgdon H-4895 31 1,377
Remarks: .381 inch bullet

.38-56 WCF (Mike Venturino's Model 1886 Loads)
Warning! Notes: Chronograph notes taken at approximately 6 feet using an Oehler Model 35P. Cast bullet diameter: .379 inch; brass used: Winchester .45-70 formed to .38-56. Smokeless powder loads used CCI 200 Large Rifle primers. Black-powder load used Federal 215 Large Rifle Magnum primers. (Handloader Issue #243 - October, 2006)
Be Alert: Publisher cannot be responsible for errors in published load data.
Wt. Bullet Powder Manufacturer Powder Charge Velocity (FPS) Favorite?

200 Hornady .38-56 JSP Hodgdon H-4350 48 1,957
Remarks: barrel length (inches): takedown/24
270 RCBS 38-255FN Accurate AAC-5744 20 1,389
Remarks: barrel length (inches): standard/26
270 RCBS 38-255FN GOEX GOEX Ctg. 57 1,380
Remarks: barrel length (inches): standard/26
 
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hello....would anyone have an idea where to find load data for my new old marlin 95....3856......got dies moulds etc but no load data........thinking 3855 loads might work.....only for cast loading and just for fun.......thanks don
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A photo of the old girl would be appreciated. I have 2 original 1895's one in the 38-56 and one in 45-90.

I found that when making brass for the 38-56 that I had better, more uniform results if I sized the brass undersized with a die of another caliber that set the shoulder & neck down a bit then fire formed with 8-10 gr of Unique. fill the rest of the case with corn meal & seal with a dollop of ordinary school/carpenters glue. These cases will chamber easily and I just neck size when reloading.

The loads I use will be useless to you as I used the now discontinued SR 4759, I kept my loads to a " low" BP equivalent of 1200 fps.

I will add that with these brass (Winchester 45-70) I can load .379 and they will chamber easily in my rifle without reaming the case necks.
 
wow lots of input........this magic box was broken for a week cant thank you all enough.....///made a pilot for case lathe and slimmed them to 11 thou......loaded a few dummies and they went through the gun ok......will load the 10 gr unique for fire forming...........i got a lot of wrinkels at and in the necks so case turning was harder annealed each operation so shooting is the move thanks don
 
wrinkles will be very common if you try to downsize 45-70 down to .37 in one pass, much better results if you go down in 4 stages using whatever caliber dies you have on hand that work to achieve this. I can downsize 45-70 this way and only wrinkle the very odd case and I dont anneal....actually I had more failures after trying a few annealing first.
 
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