Help...skinny..or low cut...or what ever they call it for a No4mk1

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Can someone please post or send me some pics on a low cut or slender lower fore stock for a Savage marked Lee Enfield No4 mk1, I have a NOS on my LE now(1942) , but was told it might not be the right one...and I would like to be able to at least, know what one looks like if I run across one. I been told , that they are like trying to find hens teeth.
Even an web site , that would show me the difference .
Thanks for the help guys and gals.
Also in need of a round cocking handle...when did they stop using the round cocking handle on the bolt.
The rifle has a serial number of : 11C5268...so does it need a skinny fore stock and round bolt handle...
Cheers
Brian
 
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The low right sidewall forends were designed to clear a magazine cut off - which was never fitted to production No. 4 rifles. One would be appropriate for a 1942 rifle. But they could also be used later, as available. Easy to spot, more of the receiver is visible.
Same thing for round cocking pieces. They were standard in '41 into '42, until replaced with the flat, grooved Mk. II style. But they could turn up any time. Saw a '55 Long Branch with one.
Serviceable parts were serviceable parts, and were used as available.
 
tiriaq said:
The low right sidewall forends were designed to clear a magazine cut off - which was never fitted to production No. 4 rifles. One would be appropriate for a 1942 rifle. But they could also be used later, as available. Easy to spot, more of the receiver is visible.
Same thing for round cocking pieces. They were standard in '41 into '42, until replaced with the flat, grooved Mk. II style. But they could turn up any time. Saw a '55 Long Branch with one.
Serviceable parts were serviceable parts, and were used as available.
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Thanks, for the reply tiraiq, so would my rifle, that hadn,t gone though FTR ,....would it be correct , with the standard lower forestock and standard, cocking handle.
I can send pic if that help. I was told that because of the mid-low serial number that it should have the above parts on it...when I got the rifle, it had been sporterize , will all the front wood gone, but all the metal parts and butt stock were S marked, with little to know wear, so I rebuilt it with NOS wood, to bring it back to ....as close to ......1942... glory ...
All help, points of view are greatly appreciated .
Cheers
Brian
Also....I started gathering parts for my next Lee Enfield Savage No4 mk1 build. Let the fun begin:dancingbanana:
 
We’re low walled stocks common on 1942 rifles? My 42 Shirley has a low walled stock and the welded trigger guard
 
MattE93 said:
We’re low walled stocks common on 1942 rifles? My 42 Shirley has a low walled stock and the welded trigger guard
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With the weld trigger group would make it MK1*....wouldn't it...? But the question on the low walled stock it the one I'm trying to figure out...
 
My is definitely a Mk1 not a Mk1*. The trigger is hung on the trigger guard, but the trigger guard itself is the wire type welded kind
 
quinnbrian said:
With the weld trigger group would make it MK1*....wouldn't it...? But the question on the low walled stock it the one I'm trying to figure out...
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The difference between a Mk.1 and a Mk.1* isn't the trigger guard, it's where/how the bolt head is rotated to allow the bolt to be removed. The Mk.1 has the bolt release catch behind the charger bridge, the Mk.1* has replaced that catch with a cut out in receiver's groove, allowing the bolt head to be rotated when the bolt is unlocked.
 
TheTooner said:
The difference between a Mk.1 and a Mk.1* isn't the trigger guard, it's where/how the bolt head is rotated to allow the bolt to be removed. The Mk.1 has the bolt release catch behind the charger bridge, the Mk.1* has replaced that catch with a cut out in receiver's groove, allowing the bolt head to be rotated when the bolt is unlocked.
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Right my bad, the trigger being hung on the trigger guard was a Mk.1 vs Mk.2 thing. Mine is still a Mk.1 with the bolt release button. I wonder how common the low wall stocks were on early Mk.1 and what the purpose of them was.
 
I would suggest that all early No. 4 Mk. I rifles had the low sidewall forend, because that was the approved pattern when the No. 4 went into production.
The low sidewall was to allow a magazine cut off to be used. Production No. 4s did not have cut offs, and the drawing was revised, the high sidewall became standard.
If you look at the right front end of a No. 4 Mk.I or I*, you will see the blank boss where the cut off would have been installed. This disappeared in No.5 and I think in No. 4 Mk. II rifles.
 
tiriaq said:
I would suggest that all early No. 4 Mk. I rifles had the low sidewall forend, because that was the approved pattern when the No. 4 went into production.
The low sidewall was to allow a magazine cut off to be used. Production No. 4s did not have cut offs, and the drawing was revised, the high sidewall became standard.
If you look at the right front end of a No. 4 Mk.I or I*, you will see the blank boss where the cut off would have been installed. This disappeared in No.5 and I think in No. 4 Mk. II rifles.
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So it looks like the low wall was discontinued....before my No4 was made or at least...at the very early beginning...not in the 115,000 range.(my rifle) So that would make the fore stock I have ...(NOS) the right one/pieces..I could only find info, pointing to LB and Brit's using low walled fore stock, and not Savage. The only piece I have been missing was the Savage marked rear sight...which I just found the other day, and on it way..
I have a copy of the Lee Enfield Book, it's time to do a re-read. Can someone recommend other books of better value...
Cheers
B

And yes, your right, MK1 rear bolt release, MK1* front notch bolt release, MK2 receiver mounted trigger , MK1/3 reworked MK1or MK1*,trigger brazed to the receiver
 
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