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Finger Toes

Finger Toes

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New model 70, the bbl was free floating when I bought it now there is bbl pressure. I removed the two guard screws. When I tried pulling the bottom metal off it wouldn't budge neither would the bbl and action. The recoil lug and tang are factory bedded. I have never had it apart before but I think the stock shrunk a bit. It has been very dry here and even drier in my house. Should I throw it in the shower for a while? JK
 
Finger Toes said:
New model 70, the bbl was free floating when I bought it now there is bbl pressure. I removed the two guard screws. When I tried pulling the bottom metal off it wouldn't budge neither would the bbl and action. The recoil lug and tang are factory bedded. I have never had it apart before but I think the stock shrunk a bit. It has been very dry here and even drier in my house. Should I throw it in the shower for a while? JK
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NO!!!:eek:

Stick in the freezer overnight, then put the screws ALMOST tight, and give the them a rap with a mallet or a piece of hardwood and hammer.
Make sure you have loosened ALL the screws, there may be another small screw in front the trigger guard under the floor plate.
Make sure the screws have just a little play before you smack them, then check them afterwards as well.

Cat
 
Finger toes: I think the last thing Winchester did in assembly was squeeze in a bit of goo ( sometimes referred to as hot glue bedding) and screw the rifle together. They never took it apart again. Get a rubber mallet and beat lightly on the underside of the barrel at the front of the fore end until it separates ( take all the screws out first). Don't be surprised if some of the hot glue comes out with the action/barrel assembly. Remove all the hot glue from the bedding and do a proper glass bedding job. Problem solved.
 
stocker said:
Finger toes: I think the last thing Winchester did in assembly was squeeze in a bit of goo ( sometimes referred to as hot glue bedding) and screw the rifle together. They never took it apart again. Get a rubber mallet and beat lightly on the underside of the barrel at the front of the fore end until it separates ( take all the screws out first). Don't be surprised if some of the hot glue comes out with the action/barrel assembly. Remove all the hot glue from the bedding and do a proper glass bedding job. Problem solved.
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Thanks again stocker
 
As an aside, I like the idea of one piece bottom metal (welcome to the 21st century Winchester). I'll have to get my hands on a new M70 and give it a look over.

If they did glue the action into the stock then someone at Winchester needs to be hit with a fish.
 
BigUglyMan said:
As an aside, I like the idea of one piece bottom metal (welcome to the 21st century Winchester). I'll have to get my hands on a new M70 and give it a look over.

If they did glue the action into the stock then someone at Winchester needs to be hit with a fish.
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They've been glueing the actions in for years. I've taken 70's guns apart that had hot melt glue, and seen the same thing in 2000 era rifles as well as everything in between. I can't speak for the latest production, since I haven't taken one apart but those I've handled did have one piece metal. Another thing that I've seen a lot of is red loctite on the action threads. Whether that is just because they didn't want shooters setting their triggers, or if it was so they wouldn't over tighten the center screw I don't know. The dead fish idea is solid.
 
Dogleg said:
They've been glueing the actions in for years. I've taken 70's guns apart that had hot melt glue, and seen the same thing in 2000 era rifles as well as everything in between. I can't speak for the latest production, since I haven't taken one apart but those I've handled did have one piece metal. Another thing that I've seen a lot of is red loctite on the action threads. Whether that is just because they didn't want shooters setting their triggers, or if it was so they wouldn't over tighten the center screw I don't know. The dead fish idea is solid.
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The manual has clear instructions on lightening the trigger and over travel adjustment. Another step into the future.
 
So after the freezer treatment the bottom metal popped out with a stout tug. The action however still did not want to let go with considerable force. I tried tapping the screws and underside of bbl. I wound up putting the bbl on a stool and the stock between my knees and pushed down on the fore end from above. The tang area bedding was the culprit, one side must not have had enough release agent and it broke the bedding in half. One part stuck to the metal. Oh well I'm putting on a new laminate feather weight replacement stock with pillars and full bed job.
 
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