I am thinking of buying a browning semi auto 12gauge. I went to look it up in the blue book and don't know what model it is? it says 5M and then serial #970xx and on the barrel it says P72802 it also says made in belgum browning arms st louis, montreal QB , blued receiver with some engraving and a 28 in barrel. could some one please tell me what the model it would be in the blue book. we are trying to determin a fair price.
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Based on the serial number and barrel address this should be a Browning Auto-5 shotgun. You can confirm this by verifying that the receiver has the characteristic "humpback" shape.
The model is the Standard Twelve, made in Belgium in 1965. It's more common cousin is the Light Twelve that weighed bout 10 oz less. It is chambered for 2 3/4" shells.
In 1965 the barrels were not numbered to match the receiver, so you may disregard the different number on the barrel.
The Auto-5 was designed by John Moses Browning and was in continuous production from 1903 to 1997 with two interruptions for WW1 and WW2. It is the first self successful self loading shotgun design and one of the most highly regarded shotguns ever produced. About 2.5 million were made in all. The design was also marketed to Remington and Savage who each made a version of this gun.
The value is highly dependent on condition but most guns of this model, unmodified and in good shootable shape sell for around $450 USD.
I have a couple.
Jeff
The model is the Standard Twelve, made in Belgium in 1965. It's more common cousin is the Light Twelve that weighed bout 10 oz less. It is chambered for 2 3/4" shells.
In 1965 the barrels were not numbered to match the receiver, so you may disregard the different number on the barrel.
The Auto-5 was designed by John Moses Browning and was in continuous production from 1903 to 1997 with two interruptions for WW1 and WW2. It is the first self successful self loading shotgun design and one of the most highly regarded shotguns ever produced. About 2.5 million were made in all. The design was also marketed to Remington and Savage who each made a version of this gun.
The value is highly dependent on condition but most guns of this model, unmodified and in good shootable shape sell for around $450 USD.
I have a couple.
Jeff
All of the Standard Twelves were chambered for 2 3/4" shells.
The 3" chambered gun was a different model, the "Magnum". The Magnums tend to be worth a little more especially if they have the late Japanese barrels that are steel shot compatable.
Your gun is not compatable with steel shot.
Jeff
The 3" chambered gun was a different model, the "Magnum". The Magnums tend to be worth a little more especially if they have the late Japanese barrels that are steel shot compatable.
Your gun is not compatable with steel shot.
Jeff
Nice collection of Humpbacks Jeff. Love the straight stock ones. Are any of them 16 ga.?Based on the serial number and barrel address this should be a Browning Auto-5 shotgun. You can confirm this by verifying that the receiver has the characteristic "humpback" shape.
The model is the Standard Twelve, made in Belgium in 1965. It's more common cousin is the Light Twelve that weighed bout 10 oz less. It is chambered for 2 3/4" shells.
In 1965 the barrels were not numbered to match the receiver, so you may disregard the different number on the barrel.
The Auto-5 was designed by John Moses Browning and was in continuous production from 1903 to 1997 with two interruptions for WW1 and WW2. It is the first self successful self loading shotgun design and one of the most highly regarded shotguns ever produced. About 2.5 million were made in all. The design was also marketed to Remington and Savage who each made a version of this gun.
The value is highly dependent on condition but most guns of this model, unmodified and in good shootable shape sell for around $450 USD.
I have a couple.
Jeff
Jeff, what's the story on the second from left?
My father made an old winchester hump back into an eleven shooter. Sixty years ago, all the wardens heard the stories, but never caught him in the act. When the novelty wore off, he made it into a four shooter.
My father made an old winchester hump back into an eleven shooter. Sixty years ago, all the wardens heard the stories, but never caught him in the act. When the novelty wore off, he made it into a four shooter.That particular gun is a 1922 Remington Model 11, with a 28" solid rib barrel, built on the Browning patent. It was modified and used by a markethunter who was gunning waterfowl in the Lake St. Claire area in the 1920's. The extension was legal for hunting when it was made but outlawed a few years later when the US migratory waterfowl laws were inacted. As the market hunters were a pretty independant bunch I suspect it was used for a long time after it was outlawed.
The extension was made from the magazine tube off of a Winchester Model 97 pump gun, which was welded to the Remington magazine cap. The original spring was stretched out to accomodate the extra length and it did not feed well once the mag was less than half full. I fixed that with two springs with a nylon follower between them.
It cranks out 11 shots as fast as you can pull the trigger. I enjoyed standing at station 4 on a skeet field and shooting alternating left right crossing shots as fast as the traps would cycle. It's damned muzzle heavy with a full mag but gets lighter in a hurry when you start pulling the trigger.
Jeff
The extension was made from the magazine tube off of a Winchester Model 97 pump gun, which was welded to the Remington magazine cap. The original spring was stretched out to accomodate the extra length and it did not feed well once the mag was less than half full. I fixed that with two springs with a nylon follower between them.
It cranks out 11 shots as fast as you can pull the trigger. I enjoyed standing at station 4 on a skeet field and shooting alternating left right crossing shots as fast as the traps would cycle. It's damned muzzle heavy with a full mag but gets lighter in a hurry when you start pulling the trigger.
Jeff
Win,
The first straight stock in the picture is a 1906 12 ga. The second is a 1923 16 gauge. Not in the picture is a 1904 12 ga (serial number in the 12,000 range) and I am trying to ressurect serial number 4149 which I picked up as a basket case. It was made within a year of the beginning of production in 1903.
Top to bottom, 1906, 1904, 1903
12 and 16 together:
Enjoy,
Jeff
The first straight stock in the picture is a 1906 12 ga. The second is a 1923 16 gauge. Not in the picture is a 1904 12 ga (serial number in the 12,000 range) and I am trying to ressurect serial number 4149 which I picked up as a basket case. It was made within a year of the beginning of production in 1903.
Top to bottom, 1906, 1904, 1903
12 and 16 together:
Enjoy,
Jeff
