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Hey guys...another new member on a hunting forum here in NS is looking for some info on his old mauser.
here's his post...copied and pasted. ....

Figured I come here to the best...you guys were only minutes in figuring out the last mystery....mr E moose...smellie ??.....Thank you in advance !!........Kevin




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Posted Yesterday, 10:45 PM

I have a Mauser Model 71/84 from 1887. I can find a fair bit of info on them but I can't seem to pin down a value. The numbers all match and it was clearly marked as a weapon that, although hall marked for the Turkish military, has German military unit markings on it. It works flawlessly even though it's been a long time since a round went down the pipe. The only thing I know for certain is that it hasn't been fired since at least 1945, I don't have much history of it beyond that, and it is a black powder cartridge rifle. Anyone have any idea of the value of this thing?
 
To get a good idea of the value, more information is needed, and pictures are almost essential. Many of these rifles were cut down and sporterized, and have poor bores due to the black powder fouling and not being cleaned properly. These rifles will run from $100-$150. If "refinished", look at the lower values.

A full stock Mauser 71/84, with a good bore, will bring about $250 - $400, depending upon the bore condition, the overall condition, and any unit markings.

Ammunition is the 11mm Mauser cartridge. CIL did make these a long time ago, and some can still be found at Gun Shows, although at higher prices. Nominal bore diameter is .448 and proper bullets are a bit difficult to find to reload this cartridge.
 
If you look on Youtube - tac's guns Mauser Model 71/84, you can see a pal shooting his Mauser 71/84 and get details of his load. Bertam Brass make the cases, and it's a nice cartridge to shoot with substitute nitro loads.

Mind you, from what I've read on these pages, it's a popular and well-liked shooter in CN, too.

Sadly we seem to have to pay around four to six times more than you do, which seems very odd to me - one reason why I don't have one.

tac
 
Proper load for the 11.15x60R (.43 Mauser) is a 386-grain lead bullet ahead of 77 grains of Black Powder. If you are fortunate enough to have some good brass, you don't want the BP residue to eat it for you, which it will, given only a bit of time. So you substitute the Charge, leaving out the Black Powder and running your rifle with 29 grains of SR-4759, which will duplicate the original pressures AND the original ballistic performance.

LYMAN makes a dedicated Mould for this cartridge, although it is $80 plus from American discounters. God knows how much it would be, here.

The bullet for the .43 Spanish can be used; there is hardly any difference.

LEE Precision makes a bullet-mould for a hollowbase .459 weighing 405 grains. This is a useful mould for Martinis exactly as-is, or for .45-70s with ratty bores, but the bullet ALSO may be resized by running through a Taper Die..... to a .446"..... in which case it works very well in the .43 Mauser.

Last .43 Mausers I bought were both Bubba Specials..... as were the 2 I bought before them. Four rifles, just over $500 plus shipping. But then, I DO buy the ratty ones, give them a home, too.

However, although the supply of Bubba's handiwork seems never to end, the available UNmolested rifles are a very finite number. Recent trends show unmolested 1871/84s going for prices up to, and passing, the $800 and even $1000 marks, depending entirely on condition and markings, of course.

These rifles generally will be found with UNIT MARKINGS on the Butt-plates: Regiment Number, followed by Company within the Regiment, followed by the Rack Number.

They are a good, SOLID rifle, fine steel worked to the smoothness of silk. In comparison, ANY modern rifle (with the possible exception of a Holland and Holland custom) is junk. I doubt that the standard of fit and finish exhibited by the 71/84 will EVER be attained again; it just costs too much.

Hope this helps.
 
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