Help with M1909 Cavalry Carbine value?

[Tudenom]

I'm thinking about selling my 1909 Cavalry Carbine but I'm not sure what a good asking price would be. This rifle is not a DWM built rifle that was shipped over, but one built in Argentina under license.

The finish on the rifle is pretty much worn off every surface and there’s dings, dents, and scratches in the stock. No cracks or large gouges though.

I suspect it was carried a lot but shot little since the bore is excellent, still shiny with no pitting and excellent rifling. Unfortunately this rifle was the victim of a 30-06 reamer and has been stamped 30-06. Which is a shame since the bore is so good.

The bolt doesn’t match but everything else does. It fires and feeds well,everything is tight and functions normally. The action is really smooth and pleasant to cycle.

I understand that these rifles are relatively rare as not many of them were made, but for some reason the long rifles fetch a better price (at least that's what my Google-fu tells me).

Any ideas on what the value for this rifle?

http://www.hunt101.com/data/500/m1909A.JPG
http://www.hunt101.com/data/500/m1909B.JPG
http://www.hunt101.com/data/500/m1909C.JPG

 

[smellie]

If the chamber has been reamed, then you have a .303-'06 on your hands.

NO problem. Just handload your .30-'06 rounds with .311" or .312" slugs and go bag a Moooose.

They are a nice little toy, but I have no idea as to value.

For a practical HUNTING rifle, though, I can't really think of anything much better for bush.

 

[elpocho]

I'm thinking about selling my 1909 Cavalry Carbine but I'm not sure what a good asking price would be. This rifle is not a DWM built rifle that was shipped over, but one built in Argentina under license.

The finish on the rifle is pretty much worn off every surface and there’s dings, dents, and scratches in the stock. No cracks or large gouges though.

I suspect it was carried a lot but shot little since the bore is excellent, still shiny with no pitting and excellent rifling. Unfortunately this rifle was the victim of a 30-06 reamer and has been stamped 30-06. Which is a shame since the bore is so good.

The bolt doesn’t match but everything else does. It fires and feeds well,everything is tight and functions normally. The action is really smooth and pleasant to cycle.

I understand that these rifles are relatively rare as not many of them were made, but for some reason the long rifles fetch a better price (at least that's what my Google-fu tells me).

Any ideas on what the value for this rifle?

http://www.hunt101.com/data/500/m1909A.JPG
http://www.hunt101.com/data/500/m1909B.JPG
http://www.hunt101.com/data/500/m1909C.JPG

Hi. if you ever come up with a reasonable price, please let me know. I am looking for a nice cheap hunting gun for my son.

Regards

 

[Dosing]

Its a shame about the reamer, but a wild guess would be 3-400ish. After all its still a workable action etc. I can only say that I likely wouldnt feel bad paying in that range for one myself, more obviously if it were not reamed.

 

[Tudenom]

Hi. if you ever come up with a reasonable price, please let me know. I am looking for a nice cheap hunting gun for my son.

Regards

You'd probably be better off with a used hunting rifle than this Mauser. It's pretty hefty at 8 1/2 lbs, which isn't too bad, but the sights along with the odd chambering would make it a close range rifle only.

I hate to say it but you'd probably be better off with a used Stevens 200 in 30-06 than this rifle.

I know it's blasphemy, but this rifle would make a pretty nice sporter in a classic cartridge like 7x57, especially with a stainless barrel.

 

[Coyote Ugly]

The finish on the rifle is pretty much worn off every surface and there’s dings, dents, and scratches in the stock.

The 1909 Argentines were "in the white" and most parts were not blued - receiver, bolt, etc....

Google it for a pic.

 

[Riflechair]

Post her for $450 and see who bites
These are fairly uncommon and are worth at least twice what you would be asking. The guy that rechambered this rifle to a wildcat is an idiot. I have seen this done twice now to 1909's and it boggles my mind.

 

[gaff]

was the gun rebarreled to 30-06 or is it 8mm-06 ?

 

[gaff]

my mistake 7.65-06 ?

 

[H4831]

I think it's time we had some pictures of a Swede Mauser on here.

 

[Tudenom]

Gaff - you're right, it's technically a 7.65-06, it wasn't rebarreled

It was a fairly common practice to use a 30-06 reamer in the existing barrel and rechamber it so the rifle could shoot a 30-06. But of course the bore didn't change size so it's technically a wildcat i.e. a 7.65-06 (a 30-06 case with a 311 bullet).

When these rifles were imported (60's or 70's?) there wasn't enough surplus or the components available to reload 7.65x53 in North America, so a lot of importers had this conversion done to make it more appealing to a North American market.

The action was left in the white due to the high nickel content in the steel alloy. But the barrel, nosecap, barrel bands, and trigger guard were blued, and on this specimen most of that blueing is gone.

Thanks for the continuing input guys, all of this helps

 

[Tudenom]

Gotta love the model 96, I have a model 96/38 and it's a shooter! Took my first (and so far only) deer with it in the original military furniture.

Good times eh Riflechair?

 

[smellie]

Argentina used the 7.65x53 (also called 7.65x54 by some) right up until they bought the FAL. Belgium, Argentina and Turkey were the first three countries to use this cartridge. Nothing wrong with it: it's just a .303 in a rimless case. Fairly low pressures, too.

Lever once had a whole rack of brand-new SAFNs in 7.65, each and every one unfired and with the Argentine crest. Sixty-five bucks apiece.

And THAT is definitely odd, because the FN factory swears up and down that they never built the SAFN in 7.65, even though it was offered in their catalog!

Should still be some of those running around Vancouver area.

But the old ones were 7.65mm so, if you reamed one to a .30-'06, you ended up with a 7.65 slug on an '06 case. Bingo!

.303/'06!

That's all you can call it.

Nothing WRONG with it: just as effective as an '06 and should be just as accurate, maybe even better with the tight throat and a true .312" bullet.

That Swede is REALLY pretty!

 

[Riflechair]

I've seen SAFN's in 7X57, 7.62 NATO, .30-06 and 8X57 but not 7.65. I's sure love to find one of them!