Here's one for you Dogleg

I understand that it is about conservation, but what do they do with the elephant after killing it? You would think that with all the poaching for the ivory there would not be a over population of elephants.
 
Botswana, RSA, and Zimbabwe have so many elephant they do not know what to do with them.
As for the meat, usually given to the native tribesman in the area
 
Boomer,
I've seen that one before, but it's worth seeing again. Next time, if there is a next time, I want to go for the big guys. Elephant hunting is intense, I just can't picture never experiencing it again. Nothing comes close.


djs0110,
They eat them. It actually tastes pretty good, but a little chewy.
 
djs0110 said:
I understand that it is about conservation, but what do they do with the elephant after killing it? You would think that with all the poaching for the ivory there would not be a over population of elephants.
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In Africa, meat is a valuable commodity, so game taken during sport hunting can often be sold. Interestingly, more poaching is done for meat than for ivory. Ivory hunting is hard dangerous work, and the money earned by snaring plains game and selling the meat is more lucrative as it is done on a massive scale. Sport hunting reduces poaching due to the presence of professional hunters and their clients, trackers and game scouts . You should see how a tracker or game scout treats a poacher he gets his hands on, not for the faint of heart.

Currently across the African continent the elephant numbers approximately 600,000! The worst poaching of elephant occurred during the 1970s and 1980s in Kenya when that country banned hunting. Anti-poaching campaigns have significantly reduced poaching in some areas and in other areas poaching never took hold. Needless to say, the numbers of elephants, their effect on their environment, and their rapidly dwindling range all support sport hunting.

But it is the revenue from sport hunting that keeps the game healthy, and that is not only true of the elephant but all dangerous game. These things pose a deadly threat to the rural African, and he would be just as happy to see them gone. The only way for the game to survive is for the everyday African to recognize that the game is valuable to him.
 
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djs

There are elephants eating themselves out of house and home in Southern Africa. Without hunting they would be worthless other than for the meat and would be slaughtered by the locals with no benefit in the long run. Good trophy ele hunts can run up to the $100K range in some places (for a full bag 21 day Tanzanian safari) and as affordable as a PAC ele, tuskless cow or ration bull hunt. When elephant are sport hunted everyone benefits. The locals get the money from the conservancy fees and the meat, the hunter gets to go head to head with what is possibly the most dangerous animal to hunt, and the country benefits from a properly managed elephant herd that is sustainable with regard to the carrying capacity of the wilderness they live in. Win-win-win.

I forget the actual numbers, but there are only a few hundred (certainly under a thousand) permits available for ele in the countries that can export ele trophies to the US. There are only 5 countries that allow elephant hunting (where the ele can be exported to the US) - RSA, Namibia, Zimbabwe, Botswana and Tanzania. Mozambique and Zambia have ele but not exportable to the US (not sure about Canada). Not even sure if Zambia has quota on ele anymore.

Without sport hunting ele just becomes a big, tasty varmint that destroys crops and makes a general pest of himself while eating himself out of house and home and angering the locals in the process. That scenario leads to lots of dead ele and no money to the locals. lose-lose.
 
Dogleg said:
Boomer,
I've seen that one before, but it's worth seeing again. Next time, if there is a next time, I want to go for the big guys. Elephant hunting is intense, I just can't picture never experiencing it again. Nothing comes close.


djs0110,
They eat them. It actually tastes pretty good, but a little chewy.
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I hope the opportunity comes soon. A friend of ours is going to Botswana (Okavango) this year (non-hunting), and another friend is going on another safari, this one a 21 day. I should pester him into getting an elephant.
 
BigUglyMan said:
djs
I forget the actual numbers, but there are only a few hundred (certainly under a thousand) permits available for ele in the countries that can export ele trophies to the US. There are only 5 countries that allow elephant hunting (where the ele can be exported to the US) - RSA, Namibia, Zimbabwe, Botswana and Tanzania. Mozambique and Zambia have ele but not exportable to the US (not sure about Canada). Not even sure if Zambia has quota on ele anymore.
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I believe that Canada like the US requires imported ivory to originate from a member country of the CITES convention. Those countries are RSA, Botswana, Tanzania, Zimbabwe, & Namibia. Although the information I have is dated (2004) it does not appear that Zambia has an elephant quota.
 
You should go with him.:D Mozambique is a CITES nation as well, it's the US and their beauracracy that has some issue. As near as I can tell, their ivory can be exported everywhere else, including Canada.
 
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Dogleg said:
You should go with him.:D
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It will be a long time before I am able to go again.

Dogleg said:
D Mozambique is a CITES nation as well, it's the US and their beauracracy that has some issue. As near as I can tell, their ivory can be exported everywhere else, including Canada.
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Well there you go. Of course Mozambique has to take some responsibility for Mugabe, as they provided safe haven for both ZANU and ZAPU during the Rhodesian War. The Americans take a dim view of states that support terrorism (Mugabe is pretty bad even by African standards) where as we tend to be less critical.
 
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Well there's another feather in Jimmy Carter's cap. My impression was that the US sat on the sidelines and just allowed Mugabe to take over, not that they opened the gates for him. That was a good read, thanks.
 
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