Hey Arty guys...what the heck is this?

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Hey gang...

A buddy recently had this given to him buy some guy...he doesn't know what it is, and neither do I!

I figured there'd be someone on the board that will say "...oh, that's just a ______..."

So here goes...it's 10.5" long, 2.25" in diameter. Cone is machined steel, base section has three machined fins. Has an inside threaded socket on the bottom, and 4 holes surrounding it. All holes are blind.

It's very heavy. There are NO markings on it anywhere. I was thinking maybe a sabot projectile, but don't know. Very well made and finely machined...could even be an aircraft part...

Let the speculatin' begin!

Here's some pics...

 
Not artillery, its the penetrator for the 105mm target practice discarding sabot projectile, possibly fron the C74 cartridge. Google General Dynamic OTS Canada and you can find a picture of the complete cartridge.
 
I think he is saying its the centre (BLUE) piece of a drawing like this:

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Which looks like some sort of SABOT round.
 
Nice educated guess, Armycat! I knew someone would know what it was!

Great searchin', Blastattack! Sure looks like it!

So, the next questions are...
1. Where the heck would someone get one of these?
2. What's it worth?
3. Anybody collect these?

The guy who owns it will be thrilled to know what it is...he has it stored way out in his yard because he didn't know if it was a piece of live ordnance!
 
APBCDS: Armour-Piercing, Ballistic Cap, Discarding Sabot.

I think you will find the the aluminum cap is covering up the blunt-nosed Penetrator, which generally is Tungsten: NOT radioactive but very heavy and expensive.

Standard lunch for the Leopard.
 
In the '90s, I worked with a guy with the last name Geiger... but there was only ever one of him... so we didn't splurge for the machine.
 
armycat said:
Not artillery, its the penetrator for the 105mm target practice discarding sabot projectile, possibly fron the C74 cartridge. Google General Dynamic OTS Canada and you can find a picture of the complete cartridge.
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I think its perhaps more likely to be C71 or C148 due to those small fins?
 
Cart 105mm Tank SR/TPDS-T C148 Sub Projectile
I'm 99.9% on this be it an older version/variant of the C74 sub projectile aside.
You have the sub projectile (C17) only (not the sabot obviously)

It was designed to match the ballistics of the "live" C76 Projectileout to 2500 - 8000 meters depending on gun elevation
The 3 small fins on it are designed to dampen the range past a certain distance but still retain the exact similirarities of the C76 APFSDS-T to a certain range.

If I'm right (99.9% again here) it's not Tungsten. It's just steel shot with aluminum nose cap, steel base (which also would have held the tracer element where you see the threads)

Those holes on the base would be where 4 steel pins would "lock" the projectile to the plastic driving band on the sabot to impart spin to it as it travels through the bore of the gun and hold it firm in the sabot until it left the barrel and would split away from what you have there sending it down range.

The 3 small fins along the side as in your picture then allow it hold balistic accuracy match to the C76 "live" projectile but intentionally shorten the range by damping the spin to destabilize it and tumble it thereby limiting the effective practice range (easier templating).

That's why none of the examples guys have suggested yet have those 3 fins on the side with the pictures they found. It's not a "live" APFSDS-T round, it's a short range training round projectile (the C148 to be precise or the C17 being just the projectile model that you hold.)

The more you know ;)

As far as how you have it in your hands, I'm curious too. Where did you get it? Friend of a friend of a guy from Timbucktoo eh? :D
 
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Great info, Travis!

"As far as how you have it in your hands, I'm curious too. Where did you get it? Friend of a friend of a guy from Timbucktoo eh?"

The guy who has it is a Firearms Course Instructor...one of his older students gave it to him. Don't know where he got it.
 
Tyroma said:
Great info, Travis!

"As far as how you have it in your hands, I'm curious too. Where did you get it? Friend of a friend of a guy from Timbucktoo eh?"

The guy who has it is a Firearms Course Instructor...one of his older students gave it to him. Don't know where he got it.
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It's a pretty cool piece.
I really am curious as to how it simply exists in that state is all.

It's been either a) Fired and recovered/found on a range, b) Taken apart from unfired cartridge condition (unlikely) or c) Was a training aid (inert) supplied from Canadian Arsenals/GD-OTS.

It wouldn't be so pretty if it was actually fired and recovered from a range lol The odds of having the cap still intact would be slim.
Still a cool piece. Conngrats.

No problem on the info ;)
 
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