Hi. IS the S&W MP 9mm suitable for IPSC production?

for Black Badge it'll do just fine... as far as if it can be used for production division you will need to consult the list.....
 
Choose whichever works best for you (Norc or MP).
Please bear in mind, you will be shooting 500-600 rounds on your BB course and you dont want to use a gun that does not work 100%.
Both will work for the BB course.
Your SW MP 9mm should be fine in IPSC production. I've seen a few GM in the US use MP (40 SW) in IPSC & USPSA. BUT of course those guns are "legally" tweaked/customed for their preferences.;)

Good luck on you BB course.:)
Shoot safely:)
 
Nothing wrong with norinco... unless you intend to shoot in the USA.... they are banned in the USA.
 
One of the guys in my BB course had a M&P 9mm and it worked great. He just shot it in our qualifier match and he beat me with my 1911. Not that his gun is better, he's just a better shot.
 
The M&P is a good choice, the Norinco is a bad choice.

The last thing you need on your black badge course is gun problems, and you WILL have those with the Nork.

Now here come the Nork fans to babble about never having had a problem with their Norc.... it's funny though. They are always saying things like "My Nork runs perfectly, just one or two FTEs every few mags!"

Norc fans have never owned good guns, near as I can tell.

Unless you are going to go ST/VI for standard or open division, stick to production, and go with one of the big 5:

Beretta, Glock, HK, Sig, or S&W(M&P Only)

Otherwise, you are going to have gun problems.
 
Bartledan said:
The M&P is a good choice, the Norinco is a bad choice.

The last thing you need on your black badge course is gun problems, and you WILL have those with the Nork.

Now here come the Nork fans to babble about never having had a problem with their Norc.... it's funny though. They are always saying things like "My Nork runs perfectly, just one or two FTEs every few mags!"

Norc fans have never owned good guns, near as I can tell.

Unless you are going to go ST/VI for standard or open division, stick to production, and go with one of the big 5:

Beretta, Glock, HK, Sig, or S&W(M&P Only)


Otherwise, you are going to have gun problems.
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I guess all those guys I see having issues with their high-end 1911's, XD's, Glocks, etc,etc were just my imagination? Every type of gun can have issues.
 
I have seen just about every gun described above have problems. A lot were ammo related. Other issues were mag related, and not cleaning. (my issue with my Current USP stainless was one mag not being cleaned which resulted in a "gum -like " substance causing a jam).
My old USP hardly got cleaned, I didn't clean the firing pin chamber and it was clogged and got stuck, (6000 or 8000+ rounds will do that)

= use good ammo,...oh.... and clean your guns:redface: .
 
Wow...Thank you all for those valueble inputs. I felt unsure about the MP after I read all the threads here about the broken magazine base. Glock 17 may be the way to go other than a Norinco.
 
RemingtonMarlin said:
Wow...Thank you all for those valueble inputs. I felt unsure about the MP after I read all the threads here about the broken magazine base. Glock 17 may be the way to go other than a Norinco.
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The Glock is a good choice....

I was one of those "anti Glock' guys and last year I bought one to fool around in Production for a while...most fun I'd had in years....

There are quite a few good sub $1,000 choices for production now...
 
Colin said:
I guess all those guys I see having issues with their high-end 1911's, XD's, Glocks, etc,etc were just my imagination? Every type of gun can have issues.
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Yes, you're right. No gun is any good. They all have issues, equally.

Seriously, man: Is it possible that Glock and Sig are better than Hi-Point and Norinco?

Of course every type of gun can have issues. The fact is, some are much more likely to than others. The ones that will experience the fewest problems are:

ST/VI 2011s, Berettas, Glocks, HKs, Sigs, and S&W M&Ps.

Not meaning you, Colin, but it's so damn typical when people who buy lousy #### try to trick other people into buying lousy #### so they can feel better about having lousy ####! Misery loves company!

Do it right, or do it twice.

I started with one type of gun. It was nothing but trouble, so I turfed it. I tried another type of gun, it was nothing but problems, so I turfed it, too. Then I got the Glock, and it has been terrific.
 
While I don't subscribe to the theory that all guns have reliability problems equally, I'm not naive enough to believe one or two manufacturer's create firearms that don't break.

All firearms are mechanical devices, and will break down through normal or abnormal wear and tear.
Telling people your experience with such and such a firearm is fine and dandy, but making blanket statements about this brand or that is just false information and, unfortunately, very prevalent in discussions on this forum.

Saying your Sig broke this or that is one thing, saying all Sigs suck knob is quite another.

Current pistols I own and shoot are: CZ85, Glock 17, Springfield Armory XD9 & XD40, Colt Combat Commander, Kimber TLE/Pro, Colt Series 80, Sig P220

I've had stopages in all of them. Sometimes it was ammo, mags, parts failure, user error, or all of the above.-oh well it happens with the best of them.
I consider all to be decent pistols, or I would not have them. Some I bought used, and some I bought new.
New pistols quite often need a break in period where reliability sucks off the start (such as the kimber)
Some pistols bought used needed some TLC, and a competent diagnosis & repair of servicability issues (much like my Colts and CZ)

You are not going to find a pistol that runs forever, without cleaning or maintenance.
 
Realize that all guns are machines, and all machines can or will fail. Also, not all machines are well designed or well built, but this is a varying scale. Some designs are (much) better than others, and you generally do get what you pay for. Find a gun that you like, fits you well, has decent quality components and shoots accurately, and note that IPSC is a racing sport and as such we often push our equipment past the design limits it was intended for. Knowing this, it pays to assume a certain amount of responsibility for the gun and it's components, expect a certain amount of wear and tear related failure, and try to stay on top of it. Learn how to trouble shoot, anticipate, and care for the gun and it should serve you well. But if you think that even the best of the IPSC guns out there can't fail then boy, do I have a bridge I would like to sell you!
 
The best gun for a B.B. course is the easiest one to use. The glock and smith are both safe action triggers so all you have to do to put the gun on safe is take your finger off the trigger. No de-cockers or thumb safeties to fuss with. Of the two I would go with the glock based on the amount and availibility of everything and anything glock related. If you want to shoot Standard then a Norinco 1911 is a very good choice, I have the 9mm which only gave me issues when I tried using 38 super mags. Its funny to see the look on peoples faces when you beat them and their $1500+ guns with a Norinco. The finishing work is a little hack job, but out of the box it functioned great, which is more important then the looks. It's no STI but its not a paper weight either. Keep in mind that even a factory STI still needs a little tweaking when you get it home for peak preformance, both of my edges needed more extractor clearance. The main thing is to remember that the gun doesn't make the shooter, you can put the best gun money can buy into a ####ty shooters hands and they're still going to suck ass. Try a few different ones out and pick the one that you like shooting the most then learn how to shoot it. There's no point in buying a gun that you don't like using.
 
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Just remember, there is a certain type of person who loves to hate anything popular. This in denial of the possibility that it might very well be popular because of it's great virtues, they will deride it as "trendy".

This is why people like to pee themselves when I recommend buying a well known and respected brand name.

Bunch of joiners.
 
Hey there is nothing wrong with being a contrarian!!!

LOL!

Serioiusly...I was really tempted to get a M&P for my son to shoot IPSC until I read about the BLASTO MAGS!!

He is getting a Glock 17 as it is proven and it is what his sister shoots.
 
I was thinking of buying a M&P 9mm three days ago. I was considering of buying a GLOCK 17 yesterday. I am looking into a CZ-SP01 today as the price for CZ-sp01 is cheaper than a GLOCK 17, plus there is no "plastic" in it:D .
 
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I am looking into a CZ-SP01 today as the price for CZ-sp01 is cheaper than a GLOCK 17, plus there is no "plastic" in it:D .
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The SP01 is the most accurate gun of any Production gun I've ever tried, it also comes back on target after each shot faster than any other gun I've tried. Also, there is a very wide range of production-legal parts you can put on it to make it even easier/nicer to shoot (from a weaker mainspring and a redesigned hammer which reduce both the SA and DA pull, to really nice competition sights, to recoil springs, etc). If it fits your hand, and you don't mind the weight (it's not a light gun), it is an excellent choice for shooting in the production division of ipsc. It is also VERY well supported by excellent gun smiths, at least one on the west coast, and one here around Toronto. As long as the gun feels right in your hand (as long as it is the right geometry for your fingers/etc), you will not regret getting it.
 
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