Higginsons have listed the IMR Enduron Powders as DISCONTINUED?

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I just noticed that Higginsons have listed their IMR Enduron powders as “DISCONTINUED”, not “OUT OF STOCK”.

I am curious if this means that Higgonsons just dont carry those powders now, or if Hodgdon has actually dicontinued those powders. So much turmoil in industry now, it makes me wonder.

I just cant see them doing this.


Update- ATTENTION fellow reloaders! Higginsons powder rep just emailed me confirmation that the IMR Enduron line of powders has been discontinued! Holy crap, I didnt think this would happen!
 
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Sadly, is not the first time in our sport that something no longer made. Like Hornady Round Nose bullets. Or Imperial brand ammunition. And I will say this got easier to do as I got older - when I find a combo that works well for me - brass + primer + powder + bullet - I tend to buy enough of them to last the rest of my days. Might be hard to do if you are in your 20's - not so hard anymore when approaching 70. And for sure when I started to reload - was purchase one pound can of powder at a time, one box of bullets, one tray of primers - was always more to buy when I went back to the store - until they weren't there any more.
 
So far as I read, I think Hodgdon (or whomever owns them) also now owns IMR and Winchester powder brands - maybe also others - so is sort of "inevitable" that there has been and will be "consolidation" to remove duplicates or "close enough". Is sad, for example, if you believed there was a difference between H414 to W760, and similar. No doubt marketers will be along to tell us how much "better" current choices will be for us. I am cynical enough to believe all is attempt to increase revenue at Hodgdon - reduce costs, increase sales - their marketers will not mention the money stream - just convince us that all is "better" for us than it was ... And, for the odd time, they are correct.

I notice many of the Alliant powder containers here say "Made in Sweden" - so is obvious to me that there is some big corporations involved - almost always about making money - not sure even entire Canadian "home reloader" market is too significant, in the scale of things, that they look at. If you can only make or get "X" number of pounds or tons of it - likely going to go to where is the best money, to be made. If things get too nasty for producer - regulations, markets, etc. - investigate what other products could be made in same plants, and no longer bother with reloader's powder at all.
 
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Hoddgon's doesn't manufacture anything. They only package and market. These Enduron powders are made by a separate company in Quebec and if that company decided to stop making the powder then there is nothing Hodgdon's can do. My suspicion is that this is a result of a supply chain issue or re-focussing on war time production as the US is in the process of reopening a substantial number of WW2 ammunition production plants in anticipation of future conflicts with China and Russia.
 
Investors have purchased a closed primer plant in Texas and are working on getting it up and running.May not help us here but more components is always a good thing.
 
well at 53..... I figure I have aquired nearly all the powder and components I will need to last until I can't hunt anymore. I gave myself 15 years worth of reloading supplies for my hunting load development, sighting in and actual hunting. For my fun guns I have already stockpiled enough surplus and commercial ammo to last beyond my years barring any armed conflict on Canadian soil..... I hadn't counted on the WEF's coup of our nation so when I realized what was really happening behind the actions of the Lieberal party and the Demoncrats to the south........ I stockpiled some more hehehe

just pretend that ammo and reloading supplies will run out in the next year or so and act accordingly. NOW is the time to buy the ammo , parts, optics, night vision, reloading gear, ect ect because the forces against us are trying to shut it all down.
Imports of ammo could be stopped at the whim of this government with a wave of their magic wand. They did it to handguns...... my guess is surplus ammo and reloading supplies will be next ..... or will follow an import ban on semi auto long guns and shotguns.
 
Potashminer said:
So far as I read, I think Hodgdon (or whomever owns them) also now owns IMR and Winchester powder brands - maybe also others - so is sort of "inevitable" that there has been and will be "consolidation" to remove duplicates or "close enough". Is sad, for example, if you believed there was a difference between H414 to W760, and similar. No doubt marketers will be along to tell us how much "better" current choices will be for us. I am cynical enough to believe all is attempt to increase revenue at Hodgdon - reduce costs, increase sales - their marketers will not mention the money stream - just convince us that all is "better" for us than it was ... And, for the odd time, they are correct.

I notice many of the Alliant powder containers here say "Made in Sweden" - so is obvious to me that there is some big corporations involved - almost always about making money - not sure even entire Canadian "home reloader" market is too significant, in the scale of things, that they look at. If you can only make or get "X" number of pounds or tons of it - likely going to go to where is the best money, to be made. If things get too nasty for producer - regulations, markets, etc. - investigate what other products could be made in same plants, and no longer bother with reloader's powder at all.
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Hodgdon has owned IMR for years. Before Enduron powders actually. And these powder companies are actually quite small.
 
From IMR website - "In 2003, Hodgdon Powder Company acquired the IMR brand bringing these prestigious powders under the umbrella that also includes Hodgdon, Winchester, Accurate, Ramshot, and more." I guess I am too old - I had thought 2003 was "recent", but was like 19 years ago, already?

I could not find IMR announcements, but this article on Accurate Shooters says that Enduron powders was introduced in 2015. So as per post #11 - well after Hodgdon had acquired IMR brand name. https://bulletin.accurateshooter.com/2014/10/imr-introduces-new-enduron-powders-4166-4451-7977/
 
Hmmmm that sucks! I like the 4166 in my no1 9.3x62….. as I’m new to reloading I didn’t go crazy on the buying spree, so I have a few different powders but non in big amounts! Just like bullets unfortunately! I have a fair amounts of primers so to speak( really little compare to other replacers)
I’m hoping to focus on H and IMR 4350 and H 4895 powders that should cover all my needs for what I shoot! So hopefully they do t stop making those.
 
SteveB said:
Hoddgon's doesn't manufacture anything. They only package and market. These Enduron powders are made by a separate company in Quebec and if that company decided to stop making the powder then there is nothing Hodgdon's can do. My suspicion is that this is a result of a supply chain issue or re-focussing on war time production as the US is in the process of reopening a substantial number of WW2 ammunition production plants in anticipation of future conflicts with China and Russia.
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Will back this up. Nothing to do with Hodgdon powder. If they cannot get the product, they can’t sell it under any name they own.
IMR and Dominion powder are made in Valleyfield, QC. Commercial powder was and is a secondary market for that industrial plant. First is military.
 
That is a bit of a bummer! :( I use 4451, 4955, 7977, and 8133.
The 8133 works so well in my 257 'bee with the 120 Partition.
Oh, well, such is life. I have alternatives. Dave.
 
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