HK Mark 23 question

billm

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I was at the range the other day and noticed the slide on my Mark 23 was in the forward position after I emptied my clip. Should it not be in the hold open position with an emptied clip ? It has been a while since I last fired the pistol and can not recall this being normal. Can anyone assist on diagnosing the problem, if any. The pistol was clean, just to hedge the obvious.
Thanks in advance.
 
Hi Bill,

How many shots have been put through her? Could your slide catch spring be worn down/ broken? I know that has been a problem for other types of firearms that I've done work on. One could also check to make sure that the catch itself isn't worn off. I highly doubt it myself as it is metal, but the spring may have given up the ghost.

Cheers
 
It could just be the ammo. Most of the pistols on the market are designed to use signifigantly hotter ammo than the factory loads most of us have access to here in Canada. The slide on a Mark 23 is also huge, which will compound the problem of underpowered loads. What kind of ammo were you using?

I get this all the time with various of my pistols. Sometimes you just get a box of ammo that won't lock the slide back on the last shot- at all - other boxes of ammo, no problem.

Put an empty mag in the gun. Rack the slide back. If it stays back, you very likely don't have a mechanical problem. It's just the ammo.
 
Hey ghostie, good point. Ammo is a factor too. We just usually have breakages due to over-use and minimal maintainance.

Bill, were you using 230gr. +P? If I remember the manual correctly, it doesn't have to be +P, but it will take it.

Cheers
 
why are you putting hair clips in your gun? ;)

very likely the problem is you. Check your hand position when shooting and see if your hand or thumb is riding on the lever.
 
Ammo ? I don't know, if the pistol cycled correctly with it, it should have engaged the stop too otherwise it could strip any round from the mag without jamming. Just to be sure try a different brand of ammo.

Maybe its the magazines, the spring may be too weak to push up the slide stop up to locking position, try other mags... If you don't have any other mk23 mags but have some usp45 ones lying around, switch the floorplates for mk23 ones, they should work.

Hope it helps!
 
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Is the pistol cycling properly (i.e. when firing is it extracting the empty shell and feeding the new round without jamming?)

If it is cycling, I would say that it is a magazine (not CLIP! ;)) issue. Are your magazines HK factory magazines or aftermarket mags such as Mecgar or Promag? USP's and Mk23's don't like aftermarket mags.
 
I experienced the same issue with my USP Tactical .45. The problem is that the slide release spring is too strong, and the mag springs are too weak. I even replaced the mag springs with extra power Wolffs Springs...same sh*t happend after loading the mags several times.

Bacisally due to the weak mag spring/mag follower set-up, there is not enough upward force to push the slide stop up into the groove on the slide.

Get use to it, you'll have that problem with the MARK 23 forever (Mabee if you changed the slide stop spring to a weaker spring?)

Ammo has nothing to do with this problem...when it happend to my Tactical .45 I was pissed as f*ck!!!.....thats why I sold the little bastard and bought a nice M1911-A1
 
Put an empty magazine in the gun. Then rack the slide back sharply and let it go. If it locks open you don't have a mechanical issue with the gun or the mags or any of that. Try this a few times to make sure the result is the same. If it is not locking open, save yourself some grief and take it to a good gunsmith.

I strongly suspect that your gun will lock open every single time on this function check though. In my opinion, a lot of very questionable advice is being spouted here about replaceing this or that part. If the parts are passing the type of function check described above then there is no need to replace them.

While we don't have all the info, the main culprits here are the ammo (yes, the ammo) you are using and the way you are holding the gun (and maybe the recoil spring, see below). All experienced shooters know that the way you hold any auto pistol has an effect on the cycling of the pistol and the ejection of spent cartridges. My girlfriend runs into this problem a fair bit because she is small and she tends to limp risk her gun. When she shoots her Beretta the spent casings usually look like they are just barely making it out of the gun and start heading for the ground about two feet from her. This was shooting 115gr. factory 9mm. She was getting a few different kinds of cycling failures ("stovepipes" and what I call the "last one not quite out, next one not quite in" failure) and - important for our purposes here - the gun was not locking back on the last shot.

Yesterday one of the range officers at our range was shooting her gun (because she was getting failures and wanted his advice) and when he shot her gun the spent casings were flying out of there and clearing about 3 or 4 times the distance. No failures of any kind. No problem locking back on the last shot. I tried the gun too. Same results.

Using 147gr. she doesn't get these problems. The extra "umpf" of the round just powers through the problem. The same basic idea applies with the other calibres. Most factory .45 Auto is 230gr., but not all of it is. Even just trying a few different brands of ammo and you will likely get some different results.

Now, I don't really want to tell some dude that he is probably limp wristing his $2,000 Mark 23, so I said get some hotter ammo. I think that will clear up the problems faster than improving your shooting style will (and your shooting will improve with time too).

I think a really stiff recoil spring may have some roll to play in these issues as well, but I would tend to discount that with an HK. The recoil reduction system is not something you want to mess around with too much unless you really know what you are doing. I have not had this problem with my USP, but I readily admit there is a lot of distance between a USP and a Mark 23. I know that the Steyr M9-A1 I have has a very very stiff recoil spring and the "fail to lock open" problem is endemic to that gun with 115gr. ammo (as is the very short ejected case trajectory). The reason why some of these guns have such stiff recoil springs is because they are designed to shoot hot (military) ammo... so yes, ammo does matter.
 
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