HK MR308... Need Advice...

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Hey All

So, after some exhaustive research, I have narrowed down my potential 308 AR's to a few options...

As of right now, the Heckler & Koch MR308 is on top of my list. Does anyone have any feedback on this gun???? Any input would help.
 
NewfoundlandLaw said:
Hey All

So, after some exhaustive research, I have narrowed down my potential 308 AR's to a few options...

As of right now, the Heckler & Koch MR308 is on top of my list. Does anyone have any feedback on this gun???? Any input would help.
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Hey I own the gun and have enough time on it to say it is a fantastic rifle, that is extremely reliable and with 168gr you can get some pretty impressive groups with it. I would get it off Tactical Imports and order the 20/5rd mags with it. The gun will last a long time, probably much longer than any of the competition. 16.5 barrel lentgh will probably be the best for all round use in long distance or to use it as a battle rifle.

KAC SR25 line is impressive to but the price is for a little steep for most...
LMT is a little heavier but is the best bang for the buck.
Armalite is very accurate but depends on the setup.


But the HK will undoubtfully last the longest and maintain what accuracy it has with the least degrading with use.
 

Check this guys video out.

i would get the convex buffer pad with it though, and probably go with kac hand stop, if running as a battle rifle...
 

Here is a nice propaganda piece about the 417 mil version. Keep in mind the MR308 was used for the G28 as a template.
 
Leibermuster I see the H&K Force is strong in you - the OBR in this picture below consistently outshot the H&K 417 & MR308, shooting Federal match 168gr it shot 1/4 MOA at 100 meters ( before anybody breaks my neither regions, if you are LE/MIL and authorized by your agency to do so - I will provide you the LE/MIL contacts who can verify this) - this particular rifle was also present at the Rampart Corporation live fire before CANSEC 2012 commenced, when shooting in almost no moonlight using a L-3 CNVD-LR Long Range Clip-On Night Vision Device GEN3 - it shot 2 inch groups at 200 meters in my not so steady hands.

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gadget
 
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Whats the barrel life though?
Winning a competition is great but that depends on the variant and the shooter...

Whats the cost and availibility?
How does it do in cold and desert climate?
How does it work supressed?
lots of other variables?
 
For the record I have always been a big H&K fan, I did not find my MR308 close in accuracy to my SR25, but it certainly did produce much greater consistency in accuracy then the LMT308.

gadget
 
But what variant though, that is my problem with this whole which gun is best, if I'm shooting for more of DMR/Sniper support rifle I would go with M110 Sass but if shooting lots of suppressed and cold climate an HK variant might be better...

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Leibermuster said:
Whats the barrel life though?
Winning a competition is great but that depends on the variant and the shooter...

Whats the cost and availibility?
How does it do in cold and desert climate?
How does it work supressed?
lots of other variables?
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Cost is not much greater than the MR308, but the availability is limited by how many rifles can be produced by LaRue, the rifle has undergone extensive cold & desert testing, suppressed it runs like a house on fire & has an adjustable gas block for that purpose, the barrels are LW50 made by Lothar Walter with a proven track record & since we are talking precision shooting life expectancy is between 5000-10,000 rds based on various factors, as for competition shooting if you look at the last couple of years - the USASOC
sniper competition is dominated by AR 10 gas guns (SR25/OBR) - most of these groups have access to all current weapon systems and choose these gas guns over the H&K 308 platforms.

gadget
 
Leibermuster said:
But what variant though, that is my problem with this whole which gun is best, if I'm shooting for more of DMR/Sniper support rifle I would go with M110 Sass but if shooting lots of suppressed and cold climate an HK variant might be better...

More specifics...
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Brother any person that says one gun is best, has very limited exposure to the requirements in the real world, I am sure KevinB and others who deal with various groups will testify to that fact, sometimes necessity will drive a requirement & as such you may get a partial solution - case & point was the British DMR trail - had the Brit KAC distributor provided a current KAC rifle would we have seen the same results & LaRue just wasn't interested enough to submit a trail gun, and the H&K entry did not fair that well, keep in mind that the SAS has been using the H&K K417 and they are on different variants that have been built to address deficiencies in previous 417 platforms. Several agencies I deal with have the H&K 417 platforms for police use, they are not all thrilled with their inconsistent performance, the OPP has utilized the SR25 with excellent results.

gadget
 
gadget said:
Brother any person that says one gun is best, has very limited exposure to the requirements in the real world, I am sure KevinB and others who deal with various groups will testify to that fact, sometimes necessity will drive a requirement & as such you may get a partial solution - case & point was the British DMR trail - had the Brit KAC distributor provided a current KAC rifle would we have seen the same results & LaRue just wasn't interested enough to submit a trail gun, and the H&K entry did not fair that well, keep in mind that the SAS has been using the H&K K417 and they are on different variants that have been built to address deficiencies in previous 417 platforms. Several agencies I deal with have the H&K 417 platforms for police use, they are not all thrilled with their inconsistent performance, the OPP has utilized the SR25 with excellent results.

gadget
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I know I find it interesting that you say that, because I have herd bad stuff about the KAC line as well.... But when comparing price and the circumstances I rarely take what LEO have to say about each firearm, for most of there members I have seen know very little and just repeat what the dealer told them. I don't know, I had groups with my MR308 at under 1/2 MOA .5 but have been using it as a battle rifle is how I have it set up now.

As for the British contract, the claim of them not selecting HK417 in that trial is a riduclous comparison especially when they sent last minute HK417 built for a different criteria and prototype models too boot...
 
Leibermuster said:
I know I find it interesting that you say that, because I have herd bad stuff about the KAC line as well.... But when comparing price and the circumstances I rarely take what LEO have to say about each firearm, for most of there members I have seen know very little and just repeat what the dealer told them. I don't know, I had groups with my MR308 at under 1/2 MOA .5 but have been using it as a battle rifle is how I have it set up now.

As for the British contract, the claim of them not selecting HK417 in that trial is a riduclous comparison especially when they sent last minute HK417 built for a different criteria and prototype models too boot...
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I think if you dig deep you will find all sort of negative reports or reviews involving firearms, I would however disagree with you on your assertion on today's LE officers who are part of tactical teams, they are educated and well versed in weapons platforms & dedicate a large portion of their training on these platforms, the days of them taking dealers words for anything in my opinion are long gone - case in point I see how many of them attend Shot Show and other professional events to get hands on experience & first hand information versus Internet lure & mythology ;-)

gadget
 
Having been closely associated with LE Tactical Operations for over 15 years I will have to say that nearly all Tactical Officers do in-fact know very little about a wide range of firearms. They know what they are issued very well but little beyond that. Our requirements are different than Military Applications as well. As for the HK MR308, there are certainly a lot of Countries Military Forces that have been adopting it. If the question is pure accuracy and nothing else then maybe the Larue rifle might be better. Longevity and reliability in adverse conditions, maybe not. The HK 416 has quietly been gaining more and more traction world wide with SOF everywhere.

Rich
 
MR308 vs SR25 & OBR is more of a Gas Piston vs DI argument. In most cases, the accuracy edge is given to DI while the reliability edge is given to Gas Piston
 
the arguments here are kind of splitting hairs. I owned one and would own another in a heart beat. my only beef was weight. it's a heavy beast. I can see no reason not to buy one.
 
Rich LPS said:
Having been closely associated with LE Tactical Operations for over 15 years I will have to say that nearly all Tactical Officers do in-fact know very little about a wide range of firearms. They know what they are issued very well but little beyond that. Our requirements are different than Military Applications as well. As for the HK MR308, there are certainly a lot of Countries Military Forces that have been adopting it. If the question is pure accuracy and nothing else then maybe the Larue rifle might be better. Longevity and reliability in adverse conditions, maybe not. The HK 416 has quietly been gaining more and more traction world wide with SOF everywhere.

Rich
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I'd agree,most don't own rifles and very few shoot outside there job on the Tac team. Most if not all the ones I've known through a personal friend who started on the ETF as a "door kicker" and then ran it for several years, aren't "gun guys" they are mostly tactics.
 
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