Hornady Dies - wow!

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I just bought a set of Hornady dies. Wow, am I ever impressed. The design and finish on these dies are absolutely impeccable. They're priced similarly to regular old RCBS dies, but much much nicer. In fact, I'd have to say that these are hands down the nicest dies I own, and I own a LOT of dies, including Redding, Dillon, Lyman, RCBS and Lee. Every other die I've owned has benefitted from a good polishing, but these RCBS were mirror-like inside out of the box. Smooth like glass when full-length sizing 308 brass down to 7mm-08. They come with a dead-length seater die, too (think competition-style), that you can easily upgrade to a vernier micrometer for about $40.


There'll be a lot more of these dies appearing in my kit in the future...
 
I've never played with the Reddings, but if I had it to do over again, I'd trade off my RCBS collection in a heartbeat for the Hornady's. The allignment sleeve in the seater is suweet! And the lock nut actually works too.
 
Noel said:
I've never played with the Reddings, but if I had it to do over again, I'd trade off my RCBS collection in a heartbeat for the Hornady's. The allignment sleeve in the seater is suweet! And the lock nut actually works too.
I have to agree. I have the New Dimension in 22 Hornet, .223 and .243 and the alignment sleeve is the first thing I miss when I switch over. :(
 
Fit and finish is all nice and dandy but what is the concentricity with the sizer dies like? Along the same line how concentric does the seater seat the bullets?
 
I have no way to check my runout or concentricity of the bullet in a case at this time but I would imagine it is at least as good as the RCBS. I've had some projectiles that just don't want to sit up on the case as you ease it up into the seat and if its a Hornady or Sierra SP you have a mushed nose in no time. Not sure how it affects accuracy but it sure makes it look like you have little pride in workmanship.
I am getting fantastic groups with my 7 Mauser Hornady dies as far as I can tell.
Noel
 
[QUOTE='Boo]Fit and finish is all nice and dandy but what is the concentricity with the sizer dies like? Along the same line how concentric does the seater seat the bullets?[/QUOTE]
OK, here is the first article that I found 'Boo. I was never concerned about this until you mentioned it.

http://www.redding-reloading.com/techlinepages/concentricity.htm

Concentricity Problems a.k.a Neck Runout With Bottleneck Cases

The concentricity, or neck runout, of loaded cartridges is an important consideration for reloaders and especially the varmint or target shooter.

There are many factors that can cause or contribute to neck runout during the reloading process and many reloaders who have not dealt with the problem before quickly blame the sizing or seating die.

While the dies may be at fault or have a contributing defect, modern CNC machinery and reamers that cut the body, shoulder, and neck simultaneously make such occurrences rare. Most problems are related to the brass itself and its uniformity both in terms of hardness and thickness and how much it is being stressed in the reloading process.

An entire book can be devoted to this subject, but the amount of stress the brass is subjected to can be your key to finding a problem. If you "feel" any difficulty and /or heavy resistance when resizing your cases this can be a telltale clue.

Excessive difficulty while resizing can indicate any of the following: Poor choice of case lube, failing to clean the die and/or brass, faulty polish inside die, chamber large or at maximum S.A.A.M.I. spec resulting in excessive brass resizing. A large neck diameter in the chamber combined with brass that is thin or excessively turned can cause crooked necks in a hurry. The more brass has to be moved the more its residual memory takes over.

Resistance to pulling your cases over the size button can indicate problems. A "squawk" says "shame on you", you forgot to brush the residue out of the necks. A hard drag can indicate that the top of the size button is not smooth. Don't be afraid to polish the top radius with #600 wet paper, but don't reduce the outside diameter or you can create an excessive bullet fit. Carbide size buttons are now an option also; they have a lower coeffecient of friction.

We have conducted many tests over the years on the various factors contributing to concentricity problems with bottleneck cases. We have repeatedly found a definite correlation between the uniformity of the brass (or lack of it) and the resulting concentricity of the neck to the body of the case.

An interesting experiment also revealed that neck turning of brass that was intentionally sorted as non-uniform, showed little or no concentricity improvement when used in standard S.A.A.M.I. spec chambers. Conversely brass that was sorted and selected for uniformity remained uniform and concentric with or without a neck turning operation.

Another interesting observation can be found in the examination of fired cases that have crooked necks "as fired" right out of the chamber. Usually the chamber is being blamed for the problem.

Looking at the primers under magnification you can usually find a telltale machining mark or other blemish that was imprinted from the bolt face. This will give you an index mark with reference to the chamber. Mark this index mark on the cases with a felt tip marker and go about checking the concentricity. If the runout is random to your index marks the problem is not the chamber. Further examination will show the same correlation with the good and bad brass.

Note that to this point we have not talked about seating dies. That is because 98% of all concentricity problems exist in the brass prior to bullet seating.

Keep in mind that no seating die ever made will correct problems. The best you can do is to obtain a quality seating die that does not add any.

UPDATE: Feb. '96

Redding has now introduced neck sizing dies that use interchangeable sizing bushings in .001" increments. These dies can help reduce overworking of the brass and the resulting loss of concentricity.
 
The latest New Deminsion dies have the best of both worlds,a stem that is collet centered,(at the price of dies what screw is made that true?)and threaded to prevent slippage.

The older ones can be upgraded with the kit,or improved by dremel cutting more slots in the collet.

The seater die needs a breather hole and a chamfer on the bullet seater plug.

I don't like the new depriming pin,it's a copy of the old style RCBS ones.But the their Lee copy broke on me,that's why I got upgrade kit.

I have used the warranty of Lee,Hornady, Redding and RCBS,they were all good.

For the money,the Hornadys are best value,but my next die purchase will be Lee.
 
I have several sets, they are very good, the only thing for me is i lose more cases during bullet seating than with any other brand. The stroke to seat is very short.
 
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