How do i fix this wood stock? Final update post 20

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How does one go about fixing this?

This is how it came out

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I think part of the issue is here. The bolt does not line up at all. Cant even put the wood back into its starting spot.

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I know its a norinco (JW25a) but this is ridiculous
 
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First step would be to make sure the stock is properly and securely fitted. If it chipped because it was too close to the bolt, that's one thing. If it chipped because the stock isn't properly in place, the stock can move, or the design doesn't hold the stock rock solid, that's different. Let's talk about each possibility:

1. If the stock can move. If the stock isn't securely attached, start by making sure all screws, bolts and other attachments are snugged up. (Tight, but not overtight - you don't want to crush the wood or anything)

2) If the stock isn't properly in place or the design sucks. These would likely be related. For example, on a cheap design, the bolt securing the stock may simply run through a hole drilled through the wood. Such a design may put a lot of stress on the wood when fired and the solution to this part of the issue may require sleeving the drill hole through the wood (to better distribute the stress) Secondary forms of attachment, glass bedding, or other methods may help, too.

Assuming that the issue is not the securing of the stock to the barrel assy, or that this issue has been fixed, the next steps I would take are:

A. Remove the stock and carefully glue the broken chips back in place. Be careful not to use too much glue (wood adhesive works fine) and concentrate on getting even coverage on the entire surface. Immediately wipe off any glue seeping out of crack before and after clamping. If possible, clamp in place and let dry for 24 hours (use pieces of popsicle sticks or other wood between clamp and piece being glued to avoid marring stock or chip surfaces). Take your time - do only one chip at a time even if it takes days. When all chips are solidly glued back in place...

B. Line up barrel assembly (without actually reattaching) and judge how much the bolt channel will have to be enlarged to prevent it from hitting the bolt in the future. Start with too little rather than too much, you can always remove more later. Using proper wood carving tools ( a set at Princess Auto or such isn't a lot of money) carefully expand the channel to close to where you determined it needs to be expanded. Then...

C. Using coarse sandpaper at first, then finer and finer grits of sandpaper to achieve the final smooth contours, do the final polishing to remove any tool marks and leave a smooth surface like the rest of the stock.

D. Strip all remaining finish off the rest of the stock using a gel paint stripper. Lightly sand the whole stock with fine sandpaper (somewhere in the 180 grit range).

E. Apply liberal amounts of "walnut" or "mahogany" wood stain or other shade, depending on how dark you like your stock and/or how much redish tones you like in it. Immediately wipe all excess stain off with a clean, dry cloth. Apply a second coat of stain, if the first coat looks like it may be too light. Allow all coats to dry thoroughly before next coat or going to next step.

F. Before beginning this step, find an area (usually where the barrel goes) where no finish is needed and you can hold the stock with one hand. Also have a hanger ready to hang stock while finish dries. In a clean space with no dust, using a couple of bare fingers, rub Tru Oil or similar gun stock finish evenly over entire surface. Do not allow drips or buildup to form. Keep rubbing until finish starts getting sticky. When smooth and even all over, hang to dry. After finish coat has cured for 24 hours, lightly rub with 'tripple O' steel wool (synthetic scrub pad type acceptable). Repeat step F until desired finish is achieved.

G. Reassemble gun and admire your handiwork.
 
That gun took a mothering solid bloody hit somewhere in its travels.

Either it walloped in on the barrel and rammed the action back, or it hit hard on the butt and the force moved the action back. Either way, same crappy results.

Start by stripping the action from the stock, pay attention to the screws as they are liable to be bent. Check any other metal parts that are through the stock too, if any. Fixing the wood is pretty easy if you have all the parts, simply carefully align then glue and clamp, some light sanding and finish as you see fit.

I would use gap filling Cyano Acrylate glue, use wax paper to stop the clamps from getting glued in place and go easy on the amount you use. The gap filling varieties are slower setting up, allowing some time to slide the bits into position. If they are not hard to fit together, use finger pressure alone. Regular wood glue works fine, but the wait time is a few hours instead of minutes.

That is damage, not a design issue. Try not to overthink this. Chuy wood, or some other mystery mainland Chinese sorta hardwood with not a very fancy coat of stain.

Another option is to use the broken stock as a pattern and make one out of some walnut.
 
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Acraglas bedding compound
Take bbl and action off glue and clamp the piece with Acraglas
Great stuff
 
If you feel competent in your repair touch-ups you can pin the wood piece and glue it back together. It is not a difficult repair but one needs to take care in the process. Ensure the remainder of the stock fits the barrel and action so that there is no binding or serious pressure spots. If you think this repair requires greater expertise then find a gunsmith who will do the work and ensure that the fitting of the stock to the barrel and the receiver & trigger assembly are all fitting together as they ought to. Ask for a price and decide if you need the support of a gunsmith or whether you can DIY.
 
Thanks a lot everyone. A lot of great tips out there. Especially straight shooter, that was very detailed.

I am going to try to wood glue and clamp method. I am not the craftiest person but I think I can glue and sand some wood together. I won't care about a line on the stock. Its a cheap gun that I intend to put a lot of rounds through.

Hopefully the screws are not bent. I will only be destocking it once so as long as it can be oiled then resembled once I am good.

Also I won't be posting a Canada Post rant about throwing parcels down the stairs. There is enough of that out there.
 
Be careful if your using anything to degrease the crack with the Norinco stain is very soluble and comes of as a brown paint easily staining every thing.
 
...I am going to try to wood glue and clamp method. ...

BTW, surgical rubber tubing is excellent for holding irregular-shaped bits together while glue sets up. Wiping it down with some paste wax will prevent glue from sticking to the tubing.

Surgical tubing and good old Johnson's Paste Wax are a couple of things everyone should have in the shop. :)
 
The bolt handle to stock fit on mine is a little on the tight side as well! I should probably remove some stock material behind the handle before I end up with the same issue.

Question is..... what kind of a PITA is it to remove the stock on these guns? The forend pieces appear to be pinned in place.

M
 
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The bolt handle to stock fit on mine is a little on the tight side as well! I should probably remove some stock material behind the handle before I end up with the same issue.

Question is..... what kind of a PITA is it to remove the stock on these guns? The forend pieces appear to be pinned in place.

M

I was looking at it and found a video on youtube. Yoou have to punch out two pins, remove the band and undo three screws near the trigger
 
I was looking at it and found a video on youtube. Yoou have to punch out two pins, remove the band and undo three screws near the trigger

Ok, thanks, I thought as much.

Ended up that I had bit for my Dremel that looks like an end mill of sorts. With that I was able to mill some stock material away from the bolt handle without pulling the bbl/action from the stock. The bolt handle to stock clearance was pretty minimal. I'm sure with time as the rifle shot in, the handle would be contacting the stock eventually.

Cheers, and good luck with your stock repair.

M
 
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Acraglas bedding compound
Take bbl and action off glue and clamp the piece with Acraglas
Great stuff

I second this. I would also go to the trouble of putting a brass pin (1/8 - 1/16 dia) pin down through the crack.

Acraglass was designed for rifle bedding and can withstand heat and shock in a way that most other epoxies or glues cannot.

But first, find out what is causing the stock/bolt misalignment as straightshooter has outlined.
 
Well there's your problem

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a stretched out hole. I think I going to try and find a sleeve to put around the screw or maybe a washer top and bottom
 
Well there's your problem

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a stretched out hole. I think I going to try and find a sleeve to put around the screw or maybe a washer top and bottom

That's not a "stretched out hole", that's damage from being sheet-whalopped against something. That and the damage at the back end of the receiver all happened at the same time.

Once you fix all the damage done, you can pretty much forget all about any of the BS about cutting clearances etc., as you won't need to. The action will sit where it is supposed to and the parts wont interfere. Provided that there is not other damage done. But I would say you are needing to deal with ALL the damage, before you start adjusting fit on anything.

Either push it into place and goober a little thin CA glue on the area, which will also soak in to the surrounding wood and harden it some (a common woodworker trick these days), or pop the pieces out and smear them own with epoxy or wood glue. I like the West System Epoxy, as I have a bunch, and have found that it sands very well when it has cured. Steer clear of the five minute epoxies, as they have filler and other materials in them to speed the cure up, and they do not have near the strength of the longer cure ones (45 minute-1 hour range). Sitting the parts in the sun (in summer) or with a incandescent light bulb for a heat source will speed up the cure time of epoxies.

Anyways, you likely have a few more issues to deal with, given the damage done. Check for ripples in any of the metalwork that connects the stock and action, roll the screws along a table edge to see if they are straight, and work from there.

This thing is an object lesson in why you should consider that if you do not trust your packing job to withstand being flung against a wall and stomped upon, you likely didn't pack it well enough!
 
Well there's your problem

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a stretched out hole. I think I going to try and find a sleeve to put around the screw or maybe a washer top and bottom


DON'T DO THAT.

It's an easy fix. Once the crack is glued back together, clean up the hole by drilling it out a bit to remove any grease in it. Not much. Then, after coating all the metal with mold release or PAM, make up enough stock bedding compound which should be color matched with dye and put enough in the hole to fill it. When it's cured properly, take it apart and drill out the hole to its original diameter.

If you really want to get creative/proactive, drill out the hole and install a pillar.
 
Again great advice all around. Thank you.

Would also like to say the seller did ship it well. The box was good and he put a bunch of bunched up thick paper. Canada post probably dropped off a tall building
 
The only comment I might add is to satin the broken areas before you glue them back together (I recommend Accraglsss with brown dye to match the rest) so you don't end up with a glue line that cannot be hidden because it won't take stain.
 
Here is the end result. Its not perfect but its part of the wood's character.

Some will disagree but I think its good enough for a norinco plinking 22lr

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