How do the COs determine if one used lead or non-toxic?

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I had some controversy with a buddy regarding the method the conservation officers use to determine if one used lead or steel (or other so-called non-toxic shot)?

Anybody knows what they use?
 
Please show me the box your ammo came in sir. Reloads? Please open one.
Mind you, you can usually, but not always, see the shot through the wee hole in the crimp. If there is one.
A magnet will prove it's steel shot. Bismuth, if you can find any, will be more difficult.
Non-toxic shot is only required for hunting waterfowl. At least in Ontario.
 
Yes, it is waterfowl, I apologize I didn't mention.

Is tungsten magnetic? I know for sure bismuth isn't.
Do they have something that would detect lead?

I believe that the "show me your ammo " trick is what actually takes place. Even though - unlike in Ontario - a hunter is allowed to possess lead shot for the upland game he might be hunting on the way....
 
sunray said:
Please show me the box your ammo came in sir. Reloads? Please open one.
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You going to pay me the $4.00 it costs per Hevi-shot/ Tungsten Matrix shell? I'm sorry, I'm not required to destroy my personal property for your satisfaction.

sunray said:
A magnet will prove it's steel shot. Bismuth, if you can find any, will be more difficult.
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Won't pick up tungsten matrix either. So there are at least two shells that a magnet can't identify.
 
Unless the province specifically states that the POSSESSION of lead shot while hunting migratory birds is illegal it would be hard to get a conviction on a charge of possessing lead shot. The Federal Regs prohibit its USE not having a few grouse loads in your pocket. Alberta also prohibits its use while hunting waterfowl but not its possession.
 
Ontario prohibits the possession of lead altogether (while hunting waterfowl).

sjemac..... I don't recall the regs in AB, but in other provinces (Ontario for instance - again) the CO can take ALL your ammo for inspection. They can take samples (no provisions for a reasonable amount that is to be taken) of ALL your shells, and they are not compelled in any way to return them to you, to replace them or otherwise reimburse you for your loss.

I know it's stupid.... but I wonder how are things in AB....
The said the have a machine to determine if lead was used. Not to discuss the fact that the bird could have been wounded by another hunter and then taken by you..... or that your dog might bring in someone else's bird.... All arguably a possible in a hunting situation.
 
sjemac said:
Unless the province specifically states that the POSSESSION of lead shot while hunting migratory birds is illegal it would be hard to get a conviction on a charge of possessing lead shot. The Federal Regs prohibit its USE not having a few grouse loads in your pocket. Alberta also prohibits its use while hunting waterfowl but not its possession.
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Tell that to the judge:D
 
I believe they can test any shot birds if they were shot with lead. A simple lead testing kit will give a positive read for lead residue on the wound channels. So if you are hunting migratory and have a shot bird hit with lead the whole possesion thing becomes irrelavent.
 
Kent's TM pellets will flatten like lead under pressure. (pliers) A simple barium detection test (Gun shot residue kit) will detect lead immediately. I have never had a problem with any ammo inspections done by Ontario, South Dakota or Manitoba C.O.'s. All looked at some of my shells and were satisfied that they were non toxic.

cheers Darryl
 
Check with a C.O. first - Ontario

"a hunter is allowed to possess lead shot for the upland game he might be hunting on the way...."

This is not the case as I am recently aware of several people whom have been charged with this as an offense in Ontario. Carrying lead in the bush while walking to a a spot for waterfowl.

My impression is the MNR has a policy of charging people first and letting the courts sort it out.

Any Ontario C.O.'s on the board care to comment?
 
The possession of lead while hunting waterfowl is prohibited all across North America, it is a complete ban. And if your walking to your blind with lead shot in your pocket, you had better be carefull, it is a chargeable offense to be in possession of lead shot within 100 m of any water way.
 
ryan robert said:
The possession of lead while hunting waterfowl is prohibited all across North America, it is a complete ban. And if your walking to your blind with lead shot in your pocket, you had better be carefull, it is a chargeable offense to be in possession of lead shot within 100 m of any water way.
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It is a provincial regulation that states that, not a North American whatever.
A complete ban on use of lead to hunt waterfowl...correct.
A ban on possession of lead within 100m of a body of water?,,,,,,, I'll have to call that provincial B.S.

I know Ontario forbids the possession of lead shot while hunting waterfowl. Some other Ontario stupidity.... because it is ridiculous to compare the few #6 or 7 1/2 that one might use to hunt grouse on their way to the hunting grounds...... with the BBs we all have to use for geese. What am I going to do?.... shoot geese with 7 1/2?
But those are the regulations in Ontario.... if hunting in ON, one has to observe them. What about Alberta? are we in a similar situation?
 
I believe that in Saskatchewan you can't have lead on you if hunting waterfowl. Now if you were driving home in the truck and had lead loads in the truck in case grouse appeared, well, that makes life difficult.

I wonder if they are allowed to do a post mortem on your game to determine what shot remains in the bird?
 
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