how do u break in a barrel with 3 other qustions

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first i would like to say sorry for any spelling mistakes just got up and im on a ipod puting this stuff down


so i have 3 qustions to ask either one maby awnserd in the book that comes with the rifle but i thought i would ask them here first


so i finaly took the plung and orderd a remengton 700 sps tactical in 308... now what i want to know is how do you properly break in a barrel do u
fire 1 shot and clean x5
fire 2 shot and clean x5
and so on up to 5shots and clean bx 5... or is there a diffrent way
...

and this will be the first rifle that i will be taking "true" care of so i will need to know

what is the best cleaning kit to get
what is the best oil to get


and finaly can u sight in the gun as u are brakeing in the barrel or should u wait untill it is broken in to try and sight it in
 
Factory barrel, just shoot it. Clean when the groups start to open up.

Forget about a "cleaning kit". Buy yourself a Dewey rod, proper sized jags and proper size patches. (I couldn't be bothered to cut my own patches). Get some G96 gun oil, some bolt grease and a bore guilde. Get a solvent that will remove copper fouling like Sweet 7.62 or Wipe-out.
 
Assuming you are in Nova Scotia, you should consider joining the NS Rifle Association; they have a wonderful 800m range to shoot on, and you can learn an absolute wealth of shooting knowledge from the other members.

Getting a one-piece cleaning rod is good. Dewey and Parker Hale make very good plastic-coated one piece cleaning rods.

I mostly use a brass jag on the end of the cleaning rod, around which I'll wrap a cloth patch. I hardly ever use a bore brush.

I use Hoppes #9 bore solvent, every year or two I'll buy a half litre bottle of it. It's a pretty simple and straightforward solvent, there are many more exotic bore cleaners out there (I have tried several..). I ordinarily clean a rifle by pushing a patched wetted with #9 through the bore, and letting it sit for several hours or days. Next time I'm in my gunroom I'll push another wet patch through. When the patches stop coming out black (carbon deposits) or green (copper deposits), or less dirty, I am done and I'll dry the bore with a few dry patches.

You MUST get yourself a small tube of grease, and use it on the bolt lugs. Pretty much any grease will do; I've filled up a 3cc plastic syringe, which will last me 5-10 years.

Any light machine oil is good for the bolt body, etc.

The break-in regimen you list is fine. It's a nice slow, deliberate way to sight in your rifle and get used to it your first time out.

(EDIT: I see Maynard posted much the same thing... and I see that I forgot to recommend a bore guide!)
 
You will find varying opinions about barrel break in... or how often you should clean it...

some even get pissed off talking about it
everyone has an opinion about it

I particularly like what Lilja has to say about it... and Kieger below...
"It is important to break-in a barrel though. The jacket material must be removed after every shot during the initial few rounds. If this isn't done the areas of the barrel that fouled will tend to pick up more fouling and it will build on itself. It is important to get a layer of powder fouling on top of the lands & grooves. This hard deposit will prevent the copper from stripping off the bullets. However, if the internal finish of the barrel is too rough the barrel will never be completely broken-in and fouling will always be a problem. Some barrels can't be broken-in. "

...there are breaking in procedures if you wish to do it.​

Factory barrels are considerably different than custom match grade hand lapped barrels.

Krieger - Break-in Procedure
With any premium barrel that has been finish lapped -- such as your Krieger Barrel --, the lay or direction of the finish is in the direction of the bullet travel, so fouling is minimal. This is true of any properly finish-lapped barrel regardless of how it is rifled. If it is not finish-lapped, there will be reamer marks left in the bore that are directly across the direction of the bullet travel. This occurs even in a button-rifled barrel as the button cannot completely iron out these reamer marks.

Because the lay of the finish is in the direction of the bullet travel, very little is done to the bore during break-in, but the throat is another story. When your barrel is chambered, by necessity there are reamer marks left in the throat that are across the lands, i.e. across the direction of the bullet travel. In a new barrel they are very distinct; much like the teeth on a very fine file. When the bullet is forced into the throat, copper dust is released into the gas which at this temperature and pressure is actually a plasma. The copper dust is vaporized in this gas and is carried down the barrel. As the gas expands and cools, the copper comes out of suspension and is deposited in the bore. This makes it appear as if the source of the fouling is the bore when it is actually for the most part the new throat. If this copper is allowed to stay in the bore, and subsequent bullets and deposits are fired over it; copper which adheres well to itself, will build up quickly and may be difficult to remove later. So when we break in a barrel, our goal is to get the throat polished without allowing copper to build up in the bore. This is the reasoning for the "fire-one-shot-and-clean" procedure.


Barrels will vary slightly in how many rounds they take to break in because of things like slightly different machinability of the steel, or steel chemistry, or the condition of the chambering reamer, etc. . . For example a chrome moly barrel may take longer to break in than stainless steel because it is more abrasion resistant even though it is the same hardness. Also chrome moly has a little more of an affinity for copper than stainless steel so it will usually show a little more "color" if you are using a chemical cleaner. (Chrome moly and stainless steel are different materials with some things in common and others different.) Rim Fire barrels can take an extremely long time to break in -- sometimes requiring several hundred rounds or more. But cleaning can be lengthened to every 25-50 rounds. The break-in procedure and the clearing procedure are really the same except for the frequency. Remember the goal is to get or keep the barrel clean while polishing out the throat.

Finally, the best way to break-in the barrel is to observe when the barrel is broken in; i.e. when the fouling is reduced. This is better than some set number of cycles of "shoot and clean" as many owners report practically no fouling after the first few shots, and more break-in would be pointless. Conversely, if more is required, a set number would not address that either. Besides, cleaning is not a completely benign procedure so it should be done carefully and no more than necessary.

Shilen - Break-in Procedure
Hand lapping a barrel polishes the interior of the barrel and eliminates sharp edges or burrs that could cause jacket deformity. This, in fact, is what you are doing when you break-in a new barrel through firing and cleaning.
Here is our standard recommendation: Clean after each shot for the first 5 shots. The remainder of the break-in is to clean every 5 shots for the next 50 shots. During this time, don't just shoot bullets down the barrel during this 50 shot procedure. This is a great time to begin load development. Zero the scope over the first 5 shots, and start shooting for accuracy with 5-shot groups for the next 50 shots. Same thing applies to fire forming cases for improved or wildcat cartridges. Just firing rounds down a barrel to form brass without any regard to their accuracy is a mistake. It is a waste of time and barrel life.

Lilja - Break-in Procedure
For an effective break-in the barrel should be cleaned after every shot for the first 10-12 rounds or until copper fouling stops. Our procedure is to push a cotton patch that is wet with solvent through the barrel. This will remove much of the powder fouling and wet the inside of the barrel with solvent. Next, wet a bronze brush with solvent and stroke the barrel 5-10 times. Follow this by another wet patch and then one dry patch. Now soak the barrel with a strong copper removing solvent until all of the blue mess is removed from the barrel. The copper fouling will be heavy for a few rounds and then taper off quickly in just one or two shots. Once it has stopped or diminished significantly it is time to start shooting 5 shot groups, cleaning after each one. After 25-30 rounds clean at a normal interval of 10-25 rounds. Your barrel is now broken-in.

For best results, of course, it is necessary to 'season' it and use proper cleaning equipment. We like the Dewey coated rods, a good bore guide, copper/bronze brushes and cotton flannel patches, the appropriate size to keep that jag and rod in the middle of the bore. You will need a good bore solvent, like KG 3, Shooters Choice or CR-10 to loosen the fouling, followed by a scrubbing with Holland's Witches Brew or KG 2. After cleaning, nullify the solvents with rubbing alcohol and patch dry. Finish with Tetra Gun Oil, KG 4 or Holland's Bbl Break-in Fluid. Never shoot a dry bore as this will greatly promote copper fouling.


Pac-Nor - Break-in Procedure
Shoot one, clean, for first ten rounds; shoot three, clean, for next thirty rounds; shoot five, clean, while working up load. Allow bbl to cool to the touch before testing a new load to avoid unnecessary throat erosion.


Speedy Gonzales - Break-in Procedure
S.G.&Y. BARREL BREAK-IN & CLEANING INSTRUCTIONS

Many of our customers upon taking delivery of their new gun or barrel are in a quandary as how to go about breaking-in that new barrel for maximum life and accuracy. With so much written in magazines these days stating use this, don't use that, brush, don't brush...what's a person to do?? At S.G.&Y Precision, we have a unique opportunity to inspect many barrels on a daily basis with our video borescope. Consequently, we see the results of a variety of break-in as well as cleaning procedures, and most of them leave the rifle owners with their mouth agape when they see the fruits of their misinformed labor on our color monitor. We have seen practically new barrels ruined with less than a hundred rounds shot through them by some of the crazy and sometimes humorous break-in methods. Anyway here goes for what it's worth.

Bore guides - If you don't have one get one! Without a good bore guide you are just wasting your time trying to break-in a barrel or cleaning it for that matter. More barrels are destroyed by cleaning without a bore guide than by shooting. There are many types and brands of bore guides available on the market and range in price from $5.00 to $50.00. The only one we recommend is the Lucas two-piece bore guide. They are the best insurance you can buy for that new barrel. All other bore guides in my opinion are only good for keeping the solvents out of the trigger and action.

Solvents - We recommend Sweets 7.62 for copper and a solvent mix of our own (Actually Pat McMlllan gave me this formula) for powder fouling and for cleaning/storing your gun for the next match or season. This Speedy Formula is made as follows: Mix 2/3rds Hoppes # 9 Plus Black Powder solvent with 1/3rd Regular Hoppes # 9 Nitro solvent. Let this mixture set overnight and it will form a sort of gel that adheres very well to the brush and cuts powder fouling to a minimum. Note: Butches Boreshine may be substituted for this Speedy formula.

Procedure for "Break-in"- Before firing that first shot, clean the barrel as if it had been shot by following these simple steps:

Step1 - Insert Lucas bore guide into receiver and chamber. If you don't have one stop here and get one, if not, just shoot your gun and forget trying to take any care of your barrel at all. Lf you do have one, proceed and give yourself an "At-A-Boy" for being astute enough to have purchased the proper tools for the job. Note: One "Aw-s**t" wipes out all your "At-A-Boys".

Step 2 - Run one wet patch of Sweets through the bore and let soak for approximately 30 seconds. Do not patch this out.

Step 3 – Next, run the brush through the barrel only enough to expose the entire brush. Yes, I know that you still have 12 more inches of cleaning rod you could push out the end of your barrel but we want to protect that new crown. Also. if that rod hangs out that far, you will eventually start wearing down the rifling at the crown from about 4 to 7 o'clock. This is very bad "JU-JU" for accuracy. OK, back to our next step. Once the brush is exposed, saturate it well with our Speedy Formula or Butch's Boreshine and SLOWLY run the brush through the bore 10 complete back and forth passes while keeping the rod as straight as possible. This is when the Lucas bore guide really pays for itself. Remember, the key word is slowly. We are not trying to break any speed records. Let this sit a minute or two and proceed to the next step.

Step 4 - After you have let the barrel soak for a few moments, saturate a patch with the Speedy Formula or Butch's Boreshine and pass it through the bore. Follow this with 2 dry patches and then dry the chamber with Brake Kleen or lighter fluid. Next, gently wipe the crown off with a soft cloth and lube your bolt (lets not gall the lugs just yet). Now. your ready to shoot your first shot. Then follow the schedule below to complete your barrel break-in.

1. Clean barrel / lube bolt / 1 shot.

2. Clean barrel / lube bolt / 5 shots.

3. Clean barrel / lube bolt / 10 shots.

4. Clean barrel / lube bolt /10 to 15 shots and clean again.

Additional Cleaning Tips
Each time you clean you may also follow the last dry patch with a patch soaked with LOCK-EEZ. This is a graphite powder suspended in a quick evaporating carrier that coats the bore slightly before passing that first round through a completely dry bore.

We are always asked about powder fouling and how to remove it. The only product that we have seen that really does a good job on powder fouling, especially on the carbon ring that forms just ahead of where the neck ends in the chamber, is IOSSO Bore Paste. This is used with a Pro-Shot nylon bristle brush and worked slowly in the neck and throat areas, then slowly down the entire bore. Follow this up with a few wet patches, then dry the bore as usual. and your ready to shoot.

Follow the outline above for your regular cleaning program and I promise that your barrels will deliver their greatest accuracy and life without a lot of grief and hours of wondering if they are clean.
Good Shooting, Speedy Gonzalez

I have posted most of this information in the last 10 or 15 inquiries about "breaking a barrel in"... good luck with what ever you decide to do.
 
how to break in a barrel is asking what is the best cartridge. talk to 100 shooters and you will get differnt answers from each one. personally with lapped match barrels i don't bother and with the asphalt finish of a remington or any other off the shelf hunting rifle, they may shoot better filthy. just keep them from rusting.

ive scope hundreds of customer barrels and there isnt a darned bit of difference between broken in and not. worn out is worn out and it has everything to do with how you shoot the gun not how the barrel was broken in.
 
guntech (and anyone else reading this):

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Graphite

Ctrl+F: "corrosion"

guntech, you put together an awesome read that appears both very well informed and very useful. I don't pretend to know nearly as much as you and as such I hope that no one reading this takes the following as either my opinion or a reflection of my experience (there are a lot of members on this site that know FAR more than I do about every aspect of firearms), but I love graphite lube for a number of reasons and yet still shy from using it for precision applications.

I use graphite lube for a number of reasons, primarily it's tendency to not "clump" in dusty/dirty conditions and it's extreme ability to reduce friction. I decided to read up on it before applying it to my guns though because I wanted to determine whether or not it was appropriate for such an application. What I discovered is that graphite apparently accelerates corrosion. I don't know just what effects graphite will have on an object that is as finely machined as a firearm, but I wanted to bring the subject of corrosion to the attention of anyone who considers using graphite as a lubricant for anything machined within tolerances as close as those used for a modern firearm.

A quick side note: I've used "over the counter" graphite lubricant for many applications and (though I expect it was the propellant more than the graphite itself) I've had it "melt" plastic. Trying to remove the squeak on a cheap camera tripod with a little graphite lube did not work for me...
 
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