How do you go about buying guns from online stores?

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waiting for my PAL in the mail(finally approved!!!) and looking at buying an SKS and ammo off of Marstar or likely Tradeexcanada(if anyone knows a better site let me know), and i was wondering what the procedure for purchasing a gun is over the internet?

ie: providing identification, proof of a PAL, all that sort of thing, how it is shipped etc?


thanks!
 
me too - I'm a long time gun owner but had never ordered any firearms over the web. Just took the plunge last week. found what I was looking for, sent an email to confirm it was in stock, and filled out the web-based form. Waited a week (checking the order status daily) and nada. Sent an email to enquire and the dealer said the transfer hadn't been approved yet, so to call the CFC. I did that and was told the CFO needed a copy of my gun club membership. I faxed that, then the next day got a bunch of forms in the mail from the CFO to fill out. Looks like they sent it within 2 days of my 'purchase' but it took a week to get to me. so I filled those forms out (for a long term ATT) even though I already have one (!), faxed it off and now I wait. I hope your experience is more straightforward than mine, but beware if you buy a restricted weapon, there will be an extra delay as the police mail the forms.
 
p.s. I do know the answer to a couple of those questions: enter your PAL number on the web form provided They usually ask for place of birth as well. Firearms are shipped by Canada post and arrive at your door or mailbox.
 
Just fill out the order form, like any other web site. Or, phone them. If they dont update there web site, you maybe just spinning your wheels.

I like to make a phone call, it re assures they have what you are looking for.
 
waiting for my PAL in the mail(finally approved!!!) and looking at buying an SKS and ammo off of Marstar or likely Tradeexcanada(if anyone knows a better site let me know), and i was wondering what the procedure for purchasing a gun is over the internet?

ie: providing identification, proof of a PAL, all that sort of thing, how it is shipped etc?


thanks!

First, understand that any legal firearm transfer must be pre-approved by the RCMP CFP prior to the firearm changing hands. The RCMP CFP will require the names and firearms license numbers of both Seller and Buyer, and the date of birth and the city of birth of the Buyer. In the case of a restricted or prohibited firearm, the RCMP CFP will also require the expressed "purpose" for which the (restricted or prohibited) firearm is being acquired.

If the Buyer provides all this information to the Seller, and the Seller is a licensed firearms business, the Seller can initiate the transfer and provide all of this information to the RCMP CFP. The Buyer may not have to speak with the RCMP CFP at all, and in time the Seller and/or Buyer will receive notice (from the RCMP CFP) that the transfer has been approved and that the Seller can deliver the firearm into the physical control of the Buyer. On the other hand, if the Seller is not a licensed firearms business, or if the Buyer does not share all of this information with the Seller, the Buyer will necessarily have to speak with the RCMP CFP also before the transfer can be approved.

In a private sale, in most cases, a Buyer would not share his/her birth information with the Seller, and the Buyer would also have to contact the RCMP CFP. In a purchase from a licensed firearms business, in most cases, a Buyer would provide his/her birth information and his/her approved shooting club membership information with the Seller, and the Buyer would not have to contact the RCMP CFP.

In most cases, Canada Post (ground, with signature required, in the case of a private mailing, and Expresspost, with "adult" signature required, in the case of a business mailing, per the postal regulations) is the least expensive shipping option.


How to transfer a firearm
<http://www.rcmp-grc.gc.ca/cfp-pcaf/fs-fd/sell-vendre-eng.htm>
How to transfer a firearm

Online Transfers

The CFP’s online services can be used to transfer a firearm to or from a licensed business. The business would initiate the transfer, and the person acquiring the firearm would have to be at the business to prove their identity and complete the transfer. Many firearms businesses have an approved verifier on staff who can verify the firearm.

Telephone Transfers

It is generally simple to transfer and register a firearm to a new owner by telephone. Call 1-800-731-4000 and select the transfer option from the menu of services. Please have the following information ready:

full name, address and firearms licence number;
the name, address and firearms licence number of the new owner; and
the registration certificate number and firearms identification number of the firearm, as indicated on the registration certificate.

The CFP transfer agent will guide callers through the process.

The new owner can take physical possession of the firearm as soon as the CFP transfer agent provides them with their new registration certificate number. The registration certificate will then be mailed to the new owner within a few weeks.

Paper Application

Use form CAFC 681, for restricted and prohibited firearms or form CAFC 682 for non-restricted firearms. These are two-part forms. The previous owner must complete one part while the new owner must complete the other. To obtain a form, call 1-800-731-4000.


<http://www.rcmp-grc.gc.ca/cfp-pcaf/fs-fd/sell-vendre-eng.htm>
Fact Sheets concerning the Firearms Act
<http://www.rcmp-grc.gc.ca/cfp-pcaf/fs-fd/index-eng.htm>
 
For the most part it is real easy and simply fill out forms online. Super easy for the with most dealers up top, and a phone call usually works as well.

Marstar on the other hand has the worst web site, inventory, and ordering process I have ever seen, and will not order from them because of it! Get with the ####in times Marstar!

You hear that Marstar? John?
 
First, understand that any legal firearm transfer must be pre-approved by the RCMP CFP prior to the firearm changing hands. The RCMP CFP will require the names and firearms license numbers of both Seller and Buyer, and the date of birth and the city of birth of the Buyer. In the case of a restricted or prohibited firearm, the RCMP CFP will also require the expressed "purpose" for which the (restricted or prohibited) firearm is being acquired.

If the Buyer provides all this information to the Seller, and the Seller is a licensed firearms business, the Seller can initiate the transfer and provide all of this information to the RCMP CFP. The Buyer may not have to speak with the RCMP CFP at all, and in time the Seller and/or Buyer will receive notice (from the RCMP CFP) that the transfer has been approved and that the Seller can deliver the firearm into the physical control of the Buyer. On the other hand, if the Seller is not a licensed firearms business, or if the Buyer does not share all of this information with the Seller, the Buyer will necessarily have to speak with the RCMP CFP also before the transfer can be approved.

In a private sale, in most cases, a Buyer would not share his/her birth information with the Seller, and the Buyer would also have to contact the RCMP CFP. In a purchase from a licensed firearms business, in most cases, a Buyer would provide his/her birth information and his/her approved shooting club membership information with the Seller, and the Buyer would not have to contact the RCMP CFP.

In most cases, Canada Post (ground, with signature required, in the case of a private mailing, and Expresspost, with "adult" signature required, in the case of a business mailing, per the postal regulations) is the least expensive shipping option.


How to transfer a firearm
<http://www.rcmp-grc.gc.ca/cfp-pcaf/fs-fd/sell-vendre-eng.htm>

Fact Sheets concerning the Firearms Act
<http://www.rcmp-grc.gc.ca/cfp-pcaf/fs-fd/index-eng.htm>


Very in depth and incredibly helpful, thank you!!!



^ sounds like its incredibly simpler just to buy from a store

local hunting stores dont carry much in the way of bulk FMJ and milsurp rifles. may be a few others to check out before i go online, but if i have to go to victoria or vancouver, its gonna cost me 100-200 dollars and all day to do so.

any recommendations from people on vancouver island? nanaimo and north?


me too - I'm a long time gun owner but had never ordered any firearms over the web. Just took the plunge last week. found what I was looking for, sent an email to confirm it was in stock, and filled out the web-based form. Waited a week (checking the order status daily) and nada. Sent an email to enquire and the dealer said the transfer hadn't been approved yet, so to call the CFC. I did that and was told the CFO needed a copy of my gun club membership. I faxed that, then the next day got a bunch of forms in the mail from the CFO to fill out. Looks like they sent it within 2 days of my 'purchase' but it took a week to get to me. so I filled those forms out (for a long term ATT) even though I already have one (!), faxed it off and now I wait. I hope your experience is more straightforward than mine, but beware if you buy a restricted weapon, there will be an extra delay as the police mail the forms.

good to hear its doable, yeah i wont be buying restricted just yet.
 
Buying guns online:

1) Fill out on-line form or

2) order via phone.

3) Send 6 emails inquiring why its taking so long to arrive.

4) Receive gun, pose in front of a mirror with gun in various stances a la Jack Bauer.

5) Place gun for sale unfired on
E+E for 17% higher price than retail.

6) Sell gun on E+E for 19% less than retail.

7) Repeat.





I kid, follow Wendell's excellent instructions above.
 
It sounds like it is way more complicated than it is. I have purchased approximately 30 firearms off the net usually from dealers listed on this site. I fill out their forms which include Pal number number, gun club, credit card, etc, email them a copy of my Pal/Rpal and then just wait for the transfer (if it's restricted), if not then they send it out usually right away. Have not had any bad experience with this, not a big deal and I prefer it over going to the gun store (if you have done your research and know what you want).
 
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