How Does the TNW ASR Handle High Pressure Loads?

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Curious how the ASR handles high pressure loads, such as +P+ or 9mm Major. I like the idea of the rifles, but if it had a side use as a camp bear defence gun it would help justify the purchase rather than just getting one as a toy. I would not shoot very much 9mm major through it, mostly plinking with standard pressure stuff, but being able to get 357 Magnum level performance would make it a bit more versatile as a "survival rifle".

I have a 12 gauge with slugs that is my usual bear defence tool and that would still be the first choice, but I'm wondering in case I happened to have the ASR handy instead. A 10mm or other larger cartridge would certainly be better than 9mm, but they're a lot more expensive to plink with (which is the primary use) and not compatible with my G17 mags.
 
The 10mm ASR I owned handled full pressure loads better than any gun I have owned. Basically zero case expansion. In a direct blowback that would indicate a very low pressure at the time the case begins moving. I only sold it because it really is best as a takedown survival gun due to poor handling.
 
The 10mm ASR I owned handled full pressure loads better than any gun I have owned. Basically zero case expansion. In a direct blowback that would indicate a very low pressure at the time the case begins moving. I only sold it because it really is best as a takedown survival gun due to poor handling.

Thanks for the feedback. I had hoped more people would chime in, but now I'm leaning towards a Ruger PCC for the greater aftermarket support and (I assume) parts availability. They're too heavy to call a survival rifle, but it sounds like it's the better choice for a plinker. Because they're a little heavier I'm less likely to have it in bear country so it kind of kills the need for high pressure loads.

The ASR still intrigues me.. but I think I'll stick with my AR7 as a "survival rifle" for it's light weight and also the light weight 22lr ammo.
 
Thanks for the feedback. I had hoped more people would chime in, but now I'm leaning towards a Ruger PCC for the greater aftermarket support and (I assume) parts availability. They're too heavy to call a survival rifle, but it sounds like it's the better choice for a plinker. Because they're a little heavier I'm less likely to have it in bear country so it kind of kills the need for high pressure loads.

The ASR still intrigues me.. but I think I'll stick with my AR7 as a "survival rifle" for it's light weight and also the light weight 22lr ammo.

The Ruger PCC is indeed very heavy. Quite overweight in my opinion. In that form factor the FX-9 is much lighter and easier to handle, not to mention the ASR.
 
The Ruger PCC is indeed very heavy. Quite overweight in my opinion. In that form factor the FX-9 is much lighter and easier to handle, not to mention the ASR.

I've read lots of good things about the FX-9, but I'm a bit worried it'll be in the next round of bans due to its AR-like appearance despite the extreme differences in design. I don't like to live in fear of such things, but I can't really afford to get -another- replacement rifle this year... I'm still pretty sour about the rifle I put the first 50 rounds through on April 28th that became an expensive paperweight a couple days later. In my purely speculative opinion, the ASR with it's tubular shaped upper and the PCC looking like a scaled up 10/22 seem like they have a better chance of surviving the next 6 months
 
I've had my TNW ASR in 9mm for over a year, had it out a few times, put maybe 300 rounds through it. All 147gr subsonics, so in that respect I'll admit my experience isn't terribly relevant to your question.

As regards the viability of this model as a 'survival rifle' I'd say yes and no. Yes if you are a tinkerer, if you enjoy digging into what makes a gun tick and improving it. Polishing parts, refining shapes, replacing the mainspring with a Strike Industries flatwire AR spring seems basically essential, and generally holding its hand until it functions to suit what you like to shoot out of it, all that kind of stuff makes it a solid 'no' for anyone looking to buy an out-of-the-box, ready for SHTF survival rifle. Not gonna happen. But if, like me, you actually enjoy figuring out how to improve a gun which is essentially a steal at the current lowest Canadian price of $850 (G4C has them just in this week, a few other shops getting slightly differently set up versions for a bit more with apparently nicer grips and stocks), I'd call it perfect as a survival rifle. Very tidy little rifle. With both halves coming in at under 19" long for putting in a backpack it's eminently transportable, great for those times/places where you don't necessarily want to be perceived as carrying a firearm, such as in avoiding alarmed looks from other hikers while on your way to a shooting spot, or going shopping during post-apocalyptic zombie times and not wanting to have bad guys in the shadows looking to steal your rifle.

The parts are very well made, just not finished very smoothly. Trigger needed some work to smooth it out, now it's awesome. Feed ramp on the barrel (it's actually stepped, more like 2 feed ramps) needed a bunch of polishing and rounding of sharp edges to prevent catching the odd JHP tip, now it doesn't do that. The spring problem seems to be basic enough; they cheaped out on a do-all spring which can't reliably cycle on some lower powered ammunition, so FTE/FTF issues are far too common - swapping for the Strike spring fixed that, it just works well. A bit of investment in labour and parts made this a gun I'd very much trust to shoot when I need it to shoot. But I work on stuff for a living, primarily making violin family instruments work better, but a life-long habit of fixing things makes it relatively easy to tinker with a firearm until it's functioning better. My years of modifying and sort of building airguns made that easier as there's a surprising amount of crossover between them.

All that said, you will likely enjoy the Ruger. A friend with one absolutely loves it, says it cycles everything he feeds it. Feels solid, very good feeling rifle in the hands. Takes down small enough to slip into a sling pack alongside other necessities. And the after-market support does seem better. Finding TNW spare parts is a bit challenging. I may end up machining myself a spare firing pin, as so far TNW hasn't bothered responding to my requests to buy one and no Canadian supplier stocks them. I do have a couple of spare takedown pins and a barrel nut from Hi-Cal which is neat, as it's easy to imagine losing a pin or wearing out the aluminum barrel nut through assembly cycles, but the firing pin is sort of central, be nice to have one to throw in should it break or bend. TNW doesn't seem to notice my emails from two different addresses. And while Hi-Cal has more TNW stuff than ever, they still seem not able to get some parts.
 
SHTF and survival are two different things to me. The ASR is a great gun if you don't plan to shoot it much. 3-500 rounds is typical for anything I bother bringing out of the safes. Between the recoil and obnoxious discharge of powder and gases from the open, unused ejection port I had a hard time enjoying mine as a shooter. Something you'd only shoot sparingly that is reliable, reasonably accurate at modest ranges and can be stowed in small confines makes the ASR a good survival gun. Keep in mind it's an optics only gun. Unless you figure 6" sight radius on a rifle is ok, you could put irons on it I guess.
 
Thanks all. I don't mind tinkering and I'll probably put an aimpoint comp m4s (red dot) that is currently collecting dust on whatever PCC so sight radius doesn't matter. That said though, the Ruger is sounding more appealing. I'll probably be putting several hundred rounds through it each year at the least. Perhaps the aftermarket will make some lighter profile barrels (or carbon fiber) to bring the weight of the Ruger down a little.
 
Thanks all. I don't mind tinkering and I'll probably put an aimpoint comp m4s (red dot) that is currently collecting dust on whatever PCC so sight radius doesn't matter. That said though, the Ruger is sounding more appealing. I'll probably be putting several hundred rounds through it each year at the least. Perhaps the aftermarket will make some lighter profile barrels (or carbon fiber) to bring the weight of the Ruger down a little.

The Ruger barrel is fluted and not really heavy. The plain model has a lot of weight in the stock and the action is fairly heavy being a blowback. It's hard to beat the ASR for weight since there is very little to it aside from the massive bolt assembly which even for a blowback gun is very hefty.
 
The Ruger barrel is fluted and not really heavy. The plain model has a lot of weight in the stock and the action is fairly heavy being a blowback. It's hard to beat the ASR for weight since there is very little to it aside from the massive bolt assembly which even for a blowback gun is very hefty.

Oh yeah, and I added a bit over 3oz to my buffer weight, drilling out from the front and inserting a 96 gram tungsten rod. Helps keep the magazines and action a bit cleaner by slightly delaying blowback. I've seen others including 'B' saying the ASR hits them in the face with detritus from the big ports on both sides, but with this weight I haven't felt any of that. Didn't notice too much of that before adding the weight, but then I've only used it with heavy subsonic ammunition so maybe that becomes more of a problem with hotter loads.
 
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