How many Enfields?

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The recent "revelation" that the LGR data was never destroyed prompted a curiousness in me, and I'm wondering if anyone ever "queried" how many Enfields were registered - total - in the LGR days... :yingyang:


Anyone have any idea?.... :canadaFlag:
 
You may need to refine the terms that you use?? An "Enfield" is probably a P14 in 303 British or a M1917 in 30-06 - made at Eddystone, Remington or Winchester factories in USA during WWI, using a "pattern" developed at Enfield armoury in Great Britain. I suspect that you actually mean a "Lee Enfield". I do not know the ones before WWI, but for sure there are No. 1 (made in Britain, India, Australia, etc.) and No. 4's (made in Britain, Canada, USA, etc.) - those two were each made to fire 303 British cartridges, but I have read that numerous were converted to other cartridges - like 25-303, 7.62 NATO, etc. But yeah - is likely a mind boggling number of No. 1 and No. 4 Lee Enfields out and about - were available in barrels, etc. in most Prairie hardware stores into the 1960's, (15.99 to 19.99, as I recall in mid-1960's), so I imagine even more common to see in the urban places and Eastern Canada.
 
Potashminer said:
You may need to refine the terms that you use?? An "Enfield" is probably a P14 in 303 British or a M1917 in 30-06 - made at Eddystone, Remington or Winchester factories in USA during WWI, using a "pattern" developed at Enfield armoury in Great Britain. I suspect that you actually mean a "Lee Enfield". I do not know the ones before WWI, but for sure there are No. 1 (made in Britain, India, Australia, etc.) and No. 4's (made in Britain, Canada, USA, etc.) - those two were each made to fire 303 British cartridges, but I have read that numerous were converted to other cartridges - like 25-303, 7.62 NATO, etc. But yeah - is likely a mind boggling number of No. 1 and No. 4 Lee Enfields out and about - were available in barrels, etc. in most Prairie hardware stores into the 1960's, (15.99 to 19.99, as I recall in mid-1960's), so I imagine even more common to see in the urban places and Eastern Canada.
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By using a fragment of the old LGR, I was able to count at least 30,000 SMLE & No. 4's...
 
Potashminer said:
You may need to refine the terms that you use?? An "Enfield" is probably a P14 in 303 British or a M1917 in 30-06 - made at Eddystone, Remington or Winchester factories in USA during WWI, using a "pattern" developed at Enfield armoury in Great Britain. I suspect that you actually mean a "Lee Enfield". I do not know the ones before WWI, but for sure there are No. 1 (made in Britain, India, Australia, etc.) and No. 4's (made in Britain, Canada, USA, etc.) - those two were each made to fire 303 British cartridges, but I have read that numerous were converted to other cartridges - like 25-303, 7.62 NATO, etc. But yeah - is likely a mind boggling number of No. 1 and No. 4 Lee Enfields out and about - were available in barrels, etc. in most Prairie hardware stores into the 1960's, (15.99 to 19.99, as I recall in mid-1960's), so I imagine even more common to see in the urban places and Eastern Canada.
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Enfield is actually a factory in England that has manufactured arms for the British military for a long time....well before the P14 and M1817. Enfield is kind of like saying "Chevrolet"...
 
I have had some time on my hands for the past year or so. I took some on line computer courses and used the 8-million LGR records for some of my exercises.

In postal code K1 the .303 British cartridge was not the most common cartridge. That honour was the 12-gauge, then the .22 in all its forms. Three, four and five were 303, 30-30 and 30-06. After a lot of sorting of manufacturer's information, the top three makers were Remington, Winchester and Cooey. Any rifle listed as a 303 was counted as a Lee-Enfield, except when the record was a Canadian Ross or one other model. Combined, 5% of all of K1’s firearms were Lee-Enfields. Noting that 7.4% of all ammunition is 303 British, if there is a most common firearm in K1, the Lee-Enfield has to be at the top of the list. The sun never sets on the British Empire, nor on the Lee-Enfield rifle!
 
maple_leaf_eh said:
I have had some time on my hands for the past year or so. I took some on line computer courses and used the 8-million LGR records for some of my exercises.

In postal code K1 the .303 British cartridge was not the most common cartridge. That honour was the 12-gauge, then the .22 in all its forms. Three, four and five were 303, 30-30 and 30-06. After a lot of sorting of manufacturer's information, the top three makers were Remington, Winchester and Cooey. Any rifle listed as a 303 was counted as a Lee-Enfield, except when the record was a Canadian Ross or one other model. Combined, 5% of all of K1’s firearms were Lee-Enfields. Noting that 7.4% of all ammunition is 303 British, if there is a most common firearm in K1, the Lee-Enfield has to be at the top of the list. The sun never sets on the British Empire, nor on the Lee-Enfield rifle!
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Where do you find this data? I’d like to practice with it too
 
the LGR was not accurate, the RCMP estimated that there were 14 to 16 million firearms in Canada before the registry. they registered 7-8 million. that's the reason it was a fail.
 
Probably half of what they thought.

Around 2008 I received a phone call from an officer in Montreal . She was very happy to inform me they had recovered a rifle registered to me. A Lee Enfield, I informed her that I had never reported a stolen rifle. She was convinced I was wrong as the long gun registry said the rifle belonged to me. I went to my safe removed the rifle and read the serial number off. She again was very confused and upset over this. I had to explain to her that serial numbers were rolled over in production years, in heavy production like mine (WW1)was multiple rifles may have had the same number.

Looking back I should have claimed it and moved on. Can't have too many Lee's.
 
RCMP released LGR data to Ottawa newspaper c2008 by postal code, arm type and make/model and number registered.
Same time they released 50,000 PAL holders names and phone numbers to a call centre for a phone survey on registrant satisfaction.
 
green said:
RCMP released LGR data to Ottawa newspaper c2008 by postal code, arm type and make/model and number registered.
Same time they released 50,000 PAL holders names and phone numbers to a call centre for a phone survey on registrant satisfaction.
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The LGR dataset was released just after it was suspended in 2012 under an ATIP. That is the same as you mention. There was a website the paper built that let you check for basic sorting by name and type.
 
hogie said:
Probably half of what they thought.

Around 2008 I received a phone call from an officer in Montreal . She was very happy to inform me they had recovered a rifle registered to me. A Lee Enfield, I informed her that I had never reported a stolen rifle. She was convinced I was wrong as the long gun registry said the rifle belonged to me. I went to my safe removed the rifle and read the serial number off. She again was very confused and upset over this. I had to explain to her that serial numbers were rolled over in production years, in heavy production like mine (WW1)was multiple rifles may have had the same number.

Looking back I should have claimed it and moved on. Can't have too many Lee's.
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well having 2 enfields with the same serial number would have been cool.
 
hogie said:
Probably half of what they thought.

Around 2008 I received a phone call from an officer in Montreal . She was very happy to inform me they had recovered a rifle registered to me. A Lee Enfield, I informed her that I had never reported a stolen rifle. She was convinced I was wrong as the long gun registry said the rifle belonged to me. I went to my safe removed the rifle and read the serial number off. She again was very confused and upset over this. I had to explain to her that serial numbers were rolled over in production years, in heavy production like mine (WW1)was multiple rifles may have had the same number.

Looking back I should have claimed it and moved on. Can't have too many Lee's.
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No you should't have- they probably would have charged the seller with theft.

As an aside, i ripped my house apart looking for Lee Enfield serial number

414721234

Which turned out to be
No5mk1

Manufactured 4/47

Serial number Z1234

Which is marked:
4/47 Z1234

They get really exited when you ask them for more information regarding the model type, because that serial number cannot be correct for any type of "Enfield"...

The incompetant lead by the blind...
 
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A few of my registration certificates were water damaged at one point, so I contacted the CFC to ask them to send replacements for all my certificates. After getting the third degree for some reason, they finally relented and sent me what I had asked for. When I got my certificates in the mail, I got several for firearms that I no longer owned and had legally transferred to other buyers, and several were missing for guns I still owned. I contacted them again to try and clear up their mistake, and I was basically told that they could not have made these errors and to stop bothering them. The next year, the LGR was turfed, so I didn't sweat about it too much. In the end, they had very low compliance for the LGR, and what compliance they did get was bungled badly. In law enforcement, we couldn't trust the LGR information in any way because it was so inaccurate.
 
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