How many of the 'New Magnums' will die before the decade is out?

I don't think you'll see any Remington SAUM's. They have a tendency to kill their weak, not because the don't work, but that they don't sell. The 5mm, 8mm and e-tronix come to mind. Mind you everyone and their dog had the .280 rem in the grave 25 years ago, and it's still around.
 
Rembo said:
if the internet had been around 100 years ago guys would be asking how long the 30-06 would last....new whiz bang cartridge that it was at the time:rolleyes:
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No they wouldn't have, they didn't have the mass marketing systems that we have today...ie selling planned obsolescence to folks too stupid to know better.

100 years ago you used what you had and got good with it, hence the millions of animals hunted in the past 100 years with 30/30, and the .303.

100 years ago you main hunting option was what you packed in your lunch bag. And it worked, and it still does. :D

Have fun with what you have, and don't worry about what the other guy has. :)
 
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I don't think you'll see any Remington SAUM's. They have a tendency to kill their weak, not because the don't work, but that they don't sell. The 5mm, 8mm and e-tronix come to mind. Mind you everyone and their dog had the .280 rem in the grave 25 years ago, and it's still around.
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The only thing saving the .300 SAUM is the tacticool guys putting it on the AR platform. That gives it enough sales life to easily push it out through 2010, probably beyond;-)
 
With all the high performance offerings from the ammo and arms companies lately, propriety cartridges offered by Lazzeroni, Dakota, A-Square , and a few others might be on thin ice financially. Good news for custom cartridge makers!
 
Calum said:
No they wouldn't have, they didn't have the mass marketing systems that we have today...ie selling planned obsolescence to folks too stupid to know better.

100 years ago you used what you had and got good with it, hence the millions of animals hunted in the past 100 years with 30/30, and the .303.

100 years ago you main hunting option was what you packed in your lunch bag. And it worked, and it still does. :D

Have fun with what you have, and don't worry about what the other guy has. :)
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Calum, Mass Marketing isnt anything new... A hundred years ago, a fad was no different than it it now... The Media, and means for marketing it were different, and thats the only thing...
People had radio's, News papers, and posters on every corner... A hundred years ago, you could buy a gun in NEARLY EVERY store you went into...
Not now...
Specifically, I think Firearms marketing would have been better 100 years ago. because guns were everywhere, sold everywhere, and were marketed everywhere. Everyone was potentially a new buyer back than... A stark comparison to todays Limited market...
New calibers and rifles were displayed in store windows, on the front of sears catalogues etc...
Times are different, the media is a bit different, but the message is still the same... Buy
 
tootall said:
I do believe that the shooting community is far too conservative, and unwilling to advance. The Mauser 98 is 108 years old, and is virtually unchanged.
Imagine if aircraft did not progress beyond 1908 technology, or computers stopped advancing in 1965.
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that is because mauser got it right with the '98. it took him 30 years to do so. the financial incentive at that time for the developement of bolt action rifles was far greater than anything since. there were many "arms races" going on where the smokeless, repeating rifle was the latest and greatest. compare the military contracts that mauser/FN/CZ/steyr/DWM/etc had with anything that tikka, or remington could have going on today with hunting rifles. i think the driving force today is to make rifles cheaper to manufacture, not to make them "better".

with regards to the new short magnums, i don't have anything against them. i just don't think that i have a need for one. the 8x57 will do anything that i ask of a big game rifle.

IMO, the 270WSM and the 300WSM are the top of the heap sales wise and will be here as long as people hunt and buy rifles. same with the 300 RUM, there will always be a market for the big 30's.

i don't see a future for the 7mm WSM or any of the WSSM. also the 338 and 375 RUM's will be dead and gone.
 
223 wssm

Despite the fact that I love it, the 223 wssm is being given the paddles as we speak. I noticed Walmart in Bangor liquidated all the 223 wssm ammo a few months ago, that's never a good sign! LOL
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Gatehouse said:
Any idiot stupid enough to buy a .270 was a victim of Jack O'Connor's marketign hype...

What idiots....
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My sheep rifle is a .270 :( . Man, I am an idiot. O'Connor was full of it and Gatey just proved it :D

Please, no name calling, I am very sensative :p
 
Doesn't matter what you shoot, as long as you can stick the pill in the sweet spot. And it always seems to be that the "conventional" round fans ie. 30.06 are the ones who start this mud flinging matches. We made a different choice from you, so just let it go.
 
I'm not sure about how many magnum (or other cartridges for that matter) won't last the decade, but I'm betting there will be more new ones created than old ones retired :dancingbanana:
 
Who really knows though? The 6.5mm Remington Magnum and the 350 Remington Magnum, the first of the "Short Mag" offerings, came out in 1966, 41 years ago. Admittedly, the 6.5 is on its second pacemaker battery, and the 350 ain't doin a whole lot better, but they're still kickin regardless. :D
 
One of the things a lot of people are missing is that choosing WSM's and even the magnums is often choosing a reduction in firepower. How do ya figure?
Most rifle mags/boxes fit 4 "normal" rounds. Modified for magnums, they fit 3. Often, when those magazines are modified for short mags, they fit a dismal 2 rounds.

One of the benefits that the short mags often tout is their ability to reduce weight and action length. If I really liked short actions, and I had a choice between a 2 round bolt action and a single action, I'd go for the single everyday of the week. What's the point of having a "repeating" firearm if it only holds 2 rounds?
 
adriel said:
One of the benefits that the short mags often tout is their ability to reduce weight and action length. If I really liked short actions, and I had a choice between a 2 round bolt action and a single action, I'd go for the single everyday of the week. What's the point of having a "repeating" firearm if it only holds 2 rounds?
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I would think the benefit is it has 100% more magazine capacity than a singlr shot.:( :confused: :p
 
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