How many rounds in a magazine for AR15?

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I've read the newbie FAQ and I know it says 5 rounds. I've always known it to be five rounds and I know about the LAR mags that you can use so you can have 10 rounds. I just took the RPAL course and the instructor said it's 10 rounds. He said it's 10 rounds because it's in the Restricted Class and that I was confusing the 5 rounds for semi-automatic center fire rifles for non-restricted.

As an aside, he also said that before one can get an RPAL, one would have to be a member of a "gun fraternity" aka gun club. I'm pretty sure this is inaccurate as my dad has his RPAL (got it about a year ago) and he is not a member of a gun club/range. I know that a lot of CFOs require you to be a member of a gun club/range before they will let you buy a restricted firearm, but it's not a requirement to issue an RPAL. I am from Edmonton, AB.
 
Google to Wiki get you a very clear info

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_politics_in_Canada#Laws_and_regulations

Some magazines are prohibited regardless of the class of firearm to which the magazines are attached. As a general rule, under the Criminal Code of Canada, the maximum magazine capacity is:

5 rounds for most magazines designed for rifles that shoot centre-fire ammunition in a semi-automatic fashion
10 rounds for most handgun magazines

Magazines designed to contain centre-fire cartridges and designed or manufactured for use in a semiautomatic handgun are limited to 10 cartridges. The capacity is measured by the kind of cartridge the magazine was designed to contain. In some cases the magazine will be capable of containing more than 10 rounds of a different calibre; however, that is not relevant in the determination of the maximum permitted capacity*

*it state that any magazine that is designed to hold 5 round of caliber, but happen to able to hold more than 5 rounds under different caliber is still legal. (google Beowulf .50 mag)

There are few exceptions. but from what I understand, those rifle that get exception tend to be have locked mag build inside rifle as M1 Garand and so.
 
Search for RCMP special bulletin #72

Long story short;
A magazine designed for semi-auto rifle is limited to 5.
A magazine designed for pistol is 10.
A magazine designed to share between the two is 5.
Can you use a pistol mag in a rifle? Yes.
 
The classification of the firearm does not affect the maximum capacity of its magazines. Non-Restricted or Restricted makes no difference. What determines the capacity of the magazine is the action type of the firearm it was designed and intended for.

•Magazines designed for handguns have a maximum capacity of 10 of whatever cartridge they are designed for, regardless of what firearm they are actually used in. This is why the LAR-15 magazines can be used in an AR-15, because they are pistol magazines being used in a semi-auto centerfire rifle.

•Magazines designed for semi-auto centerfire firearms have a maximum capacity of 5 of whatever cartridge they are designed to hold. This is why we have the Mossberg MVP, which is a bolt action rifle and thus should have no maximum capacity, but since it was designed to use AR-15 magazines any magazines designed for it are considered to be designed for a semi-auto centerfire and are thus limited to 5.

•Magazines designed for rimfire and manually operated centerfire(such as pump action, bolt action, lever action, etc) have no maximum capacity of whatever cartridge they were designed to hold.

You might have heard of the Lee-Enfield AIA 10 round magazines that are popular with the M14 and M1A crowd, they can legally hold more than 5 cartridges because the mag was designed for use in a manually-operated firearm, and not the semi-auto M14s that they happen to fit in.

A question that comes up commonly is in regards to rimfire or manually operated handguns, they are still handguns and as such can only hold ten of whatever cartridge they are designed for. This is why we don't have rimfire handguns with 30 round magazines.

The specific firearm that a magazine is used in does not change the inherent nature of what it was designed for. A handgun mag used in a rifle is still a handgun mag. A manually operated centerfire magazine used in a semi-auto centerfire firearm is still a manually operated magazine, and as such does not have a macimum capacity of 5.

Furthermore, these limits are in regards to the cartridge the magazine is designed to hold, not whatever you decide to stick in there. This is why we have some people shooting 12 or 13 cartridges of 9x19 out of .40 S&W magazines, and it is perfectly legal as long as the magazine cannot hold more than 10 cartridges of .40 S&W because that is what it was designed for. So, you can use a magazine designed for a semi-auto centerfire firearm intended to hold 5 cartridges of .50 Beowulf, and then stuff 13 or more cartridges of .223 Remington in it and use it in a handgun. What you put in it, and what you put it in, does not change what it is.


Because the question has come up before, WHAT THE MAGAZINE WAS INTENDED FOR CANNOT BE CHANGED. If you have a PMag for your AR-15 and then re-rivet it to hold 10 cartridges, with the idea in your mind that it will match the 10 round pistol mags, you are breaking the law. The magazine can only ever be considered designed and intended for use in a semi-auto centerfire firearm. Such a magazine is an illegal prohibited device. You can only change the nature of a magazine by destroying it and using the material to build something else.

You can put lipstick on a pig, but that doesn't change the fact that it's still a pig.

Clear as mud, eh? Who was the instructor for your CFSC course, if you don't mind me asking? Sounds like he could use some pointers on the fine print.
 
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The classification of the firearm does not affect the maximum capacity of its magazines. Non-Restricted or Restricted makes no difference. What determines the capacity of the magazine is the action type of the firearm it was designed and intended for.

•Magazines designed for handguns have a maximum capacity of 10 of whatever cartridge they are designed for, regardless of what firearm they are actually used in. This is why the LAR-15 magazines can be used in an AR-15, because they are pistol magazines being used in a semi-auto centerfire rifle.

•Magazines designed for semi-auto centerfire firearms have a maximum capacity of 5 of whatever cartridge they are designed to hold. This is why we have the Mossberg MVP, which is a bolt action rifle and thus should have no maximum capacity, but since it was designed to use AR-15 magazines any magazines designed for it are considered to be designed for a semi-auto centerfire and are thus limited to 5.

•Magazines designed for rimfire and manually operated centerfire(such as pump action, bolt action, lever action, etc) have no maximum capacity of whatever cartridge they were designed to hold.

You might have heard of the Lee-Enfield AIA 10 round magazines that are popular with the M14 and M1A crowd, they can legally hold more than 5 cartridges because the mag was designed for use in a manually-operated firearm, and not the semi-auto M14s that they happen to fit in.

A question that comes up commonly is in regards to rimfire or manually operated handguns, they are still handguns and as such can only hold ten of whatever cartridge they are designed for. This is why we don't have rimfire handguns with 30 round magazines.

The specific firearm that a magazine is used in does not change the inherent nature of what it was designed for. A handgun mag used in a rifle is still a handgun mag. A manually operated centerfire magazine used in a semi-auto centerfire firearm is still a manually operated magazine, and as such does not have a macimum capacity of 5.

Furthermore, these limits are in regards to the cartridge the magazine is designed to hold, not whatever you decide to stick in there. This is why we have some people shooting 12 or 13 cartridges of 9x19 out of .40 S&W magazines, and it is perfectly legal as long as the magazine cannot hold more than 10 cartridges of .40 S&W because that is what it was designed for. So, you can use a magazine designed for a semi-auto centerfire firearm intended to hold 5 cartridges of .50 Beowulf, and then stuff 13 or more cartridges of .223 Remington in it and use it in a handgun. What you put in it, and what you put it in, does not change what it is.


Because the question has come up before, WHAT THE MAGAZINE WAS INTENDED FOR CANNOT BE CHANGED. If you have a PMag for your AR-15 and then re-rivet it to hold 10 cartridges, with the idea in your mind that it will match the 10 round pistol mags, you are breaking the law. The magazine can only ever be considered designed and intended for use in a semi-auto centerfire firearm. Such a magazine is an illegal prohibited device. You can only change the nature of a magazine by destroying it and using the material to build something else.

You can put lipstick on a pig, but that doesn't change the fact that it's still a pig.

Clear as mud, eh? Who was the instructor for your CFSC course, if you don't mind me asking? Sounds like he could use some pointers on the fine print.

Thank you for the very detailed response, and for the extra "tips". I only knew of the LAR mags. The instructor was John Sargent and I took the course through Phoenix Gun Range here in Edmonton.
 
Your instructor is wrong. Happens when unqualified people are allowed to teach.
Wikipedia is not a reliable source of info.
The club, not range, membership regulation is CPFO policy only. There's no law that say it. The Socialist F**ks gave the administration of the FA to the Provinces and said CPFO's were political appointees. AB apparently has joined the CPFO club and requires club now too. Some of 'em won't approve a transfer without it. No law backing them up for that either.
 
I guess in ON, we r f'd if you want to own a restricted, but not be an active member of the Range/Club?

you can purchase and own a restricted without a range membership.... if you want to shoot it.. then you must have a range membership which requests your att so that you can shoot it.
 
you can purchase and own a restricted without a range membership.... if you want to shoot it.. then you must have a range membership which requests your att so that you can shoot it.

Correct, however the games that the CFO's are playing is that to own a restricted firearm you require a purpose, the only acceptable purpose for most folks, is target shooting. Only being allowed to discharge a restricted firearm at an approved range then requires an ATT.
And around and around we go.

As long as the politicians are going to allow their hired minions to interpret the laws in any manner they wish, we will continue with this sort of none sense.
 
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