Howa M1100 rimfire
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I emailed Howa, they mentioned these bases:
Good morning,
Heres what I have found for the mounts for the M1100 Rimfire.
NSTRR1MB
ZERO LOCK HOWA M1100 1" MOUNTS - MEDIUM BULK
I hope this helps.
Thank you.
http://www.highlandoutdoors.co.uk/P...rt-Long-Action-Howa-1500-Remington-700_2.html
Good morning,
Heres what I have found for the mounts for the M1100 Rimfire.
NSTRR1MB
ZERO LOCK HOWA M1100 1" MOUNTS - MEDIUM BULK
I hope this helps.
Thank you.
http://www.highlandoutdoors.co.uk/P...rt-Long-Action-Howa-1500-Remington-700_2.html
Legacy sports seem to have dropped the 'sub moa' guarantee, or I'm missing it.
Even if true, the claim is probably more trouble then it's worth, people shooting winchester .22 ammo they found in the trash at the range and calling them up complaining they can't shoot under an inch at 100yrds off hand.
Even if true, the claim is probably more trouble then it's worth, people shooting winchester .22 ammo they found in the trash at the range and calling them up complaining they can't shoot under an inch at 100yrds off hand.
All 6 of my rimfire bolt actions lock only at the bolt handle. CZ, BRNO, Anschutz and Savage. I do not know any that lock elsewhere. Are there any that do so? Genuine question, not being snarky.
Vudoo and RimX have locking lugs at about the middle of the bolt and don't use the handle.
I don't know about Savage, but CZ 452 and BRNO bolt actions have lugs. The Anschutz 64 locks on the bolt but the better 54 action has lugs.
The CZ 452 bolt below. The Brno bolt is very similar.
The Anschutz 54 bolt below.
Hardhammer
CGN Regular
It’s like saying that if you buy a ferrari f1 its garanteed you will win race, still need the talent to drive it..........
I don't know about Savage, but CZ 452 and BRNO bolt actions have lugs. The Anschutz 64 locks on the bolt but the better 54 action has lugs.
The CZ 452 bolt below. The Brno bolt is very similar.
The Anschutz 54 bolt below.
Thanks for the explanation. I did not pay attention to the lower surface of the bolts!
The BRNO bolt is very similar to the 452 bolt. I will check all my 22's and see how they lock now. The curiosity is well and truly piqued.
Thanks for sharing the knowledge.
Rod B
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
As long as the bolt locks securely I don't care if it locks on the handle or not. I have both 64 & 54 action Anschutz's & both systems work fine. It's a .22 rim fire not a 300 magnum that needs a super strong action.
Given the price, I'd have to concede that - but take a look at some of the Brnos out there, still very accurate after 70+ years and tens of thousands of rounds. Locking lugs on 22 rimfire bolts aren't a necessity, but they do improve consistency and consistency does equal accuracy, all else being equal.
Howa M1100 Review and Comments
If you are a Howa/Weatherby fan and have been considering picking up this new rimfire addition to the H/W family, here’s my experience with the rifle so far. I admit being a Weatherby Vanguard fanboy upfront, so I had high expectations for the M1100. In spite of some bad reviews online, I decided to go ahead and buy one. Hope this helps some folks!
THE RIFLE
First impressions were very good. The rifle has a very solid feel to it. The stock is very sturdy but still light, and does not twist or bend easily. There is some contact with the barrel along the barrel channel. I haven’t owned rifles with a vertical style grip before, so that has been an adjustment.
The bolt cycles beautifully with a solid lock up and the ‘tactical’ bolt knob is comfortable without being cartoonish. The bluing is nice and deep and contact surfaces are machined well. The trigger is a two-stage type, with a very clean and light break. I haven’t messed with the weight yet, it’s fine as is for now.
The two action screws are supported with bedding material that makes direct contact with the action itself. The squared off rear of the receiver beds snugly against a squared off tang section in the stock, so there is no room for the action to move. All very good stuff.
I picked up an EGW 20MOA rail for the rifle (46172 for RAR rifles), put on a nice Burris scope, and hit the range.
THE PROBLEMS
My first visits to the range were very frustrating. The rifle had constant feeding problems and would frequently jam, especially feeding the last round in the magazine. To see what that looks like, the YouTube channel ‘The Hide’ has a 3 part review of the Howa M1100 showing this issue clearly. Using a slow initial feed stroke helped a lot, this gave the round enough time to pop up into the extractor and would then feed ok.
Even with cycling the bolt slowly though, rounds were being shaved a bit as they went into the chamber. This affected accuracy quite a bit.
So what to do? On one hand, the rifle is very pleasing to shoot from the mechanical perspective and overall ‘feel’. But constant feeding issues and poor accuracy is a turn off with any rifle. Several reviews cite very similar problems and general disappointment with the rifle. Most, myself included, am very surprised that Howa would let this product out of the QC loop seemingly unfinished.
THE SOLUTION?
One of our local range rimfire gurus had a pretty good suggestion. His feeling was that the spring clip holding the extractor and cartridge guide was too tight, not allowing the rounds to pop into the extractor properly. Well, he was right. Even with slow cycling, the round would pop up but not completely into proper position on the bolt face, and the top of the round would be getting slightly shaved at the top of the chamber.
After removing the spring clip and gently forming it a bit to lower the tension on the extractor, the rifle works perfectly now. The rounds spring right up to their correct location on the bolt face when cycling at any speed. No shaving of the rounds occurs. And the accuracy is pretty respectable now too. I am still testing various types, but usually start with 50 yd x 5 round groups. It seems to like Norma Match (best 0.5”), CCI Std (0.625”), SK Std+ (0.679”), RWS Target Rifle (0.80”); with these SV ammo brands, I seem to get 4 very tight rounds with a flier. Very strangely CCI Blazer seems to be the most consistent, it usually prints <1”. I’ve managed to get 0.511”, 0.567”, 0.662”, and 0.742” groups out of Blazer. I don’t think I’ve had any rifles shoot Blazer that well before.
I also removed a bit of material on the stock where it was contacting the barrel. This may have helped a bit too.
So is the rifle worth it? Before fixing this problem I would have said no. After these two small changes, it’s a completely different beast. I’m looking forward to trying out some different ammo. Fiddling with action screw tension may be helpful too. I really hope Howa will be putting some effort into fixing these issues, which should be pretty simple for the factory to clean up. If you were interested in the Howa M1100 but put off by the bad reviews, maybe this will help.
Any other suggestions or comments would be welcome!
If you are a Howa/Weatherby fan and have been considering picking up this new rimfire addition to the H/W family, here’s my experience with the rifle so far. I admit being a Weatherby Vanguard fanboy upfront, so I had high expectations for the M1100. In spite of some bad reviews online, I decided to go ahead and buy one. Hope this helps some folks!
THE RIFLE
First impressions were very good. The rifle has a very solid feel to it. The stock is very sturdy but still light, and does not twist or bend easily. There is some contact with the barrel along the barrel channel. I haven’t owned rifles with a vertical style grip before, so that has been an adjustment.
The bolt cycles beautifully with a solid lock up and the ‘tactical’ bolt knob is comfortable without being cartoonish. The bluing is nice and deep and contact surfaces are machined well. The trigger is a two-stage type, with a very clean and light break. I haven’t messed with the weight yet, it’s fine as is for now.
The two action screws are supported with bedding material that makes direct contact with the action itself. The squared off rear of the receiver beds snugly against a squared off tang section in the stock, so there is no room for the action to move. All very good stuff.
I picked up an EGW 20MOA rail for the rifle (46172 for RAR rifles), put on a nice Burris scope, and hit the range.
THE PROBLEMS
My first visits to the range were very frustrating. The rifle had constant feeding problems and would frequently jam, especially feeding the last round in the magazine. To see what that looks like, the YouTube channel ‘The Hide’ has a 3 part review of the Howa M1100 showing this issue clearly. Using a slow initial feed stroke helped a lot, this gave the round enough time to pop up into the extractor and would then feed ok.
Even with cycling the bolt slowly though, rounds were being shaved a bit as they went into the chamber. This affected accuracy quite a bit.
So what to do? On one hand, the rifle is very pleasing to shoot from the mechanical perspective and overall ‘feel’. But constant feeding issues and poor accuracy is a turn off with any rifle. Several reviews cite very similar problems and general disappointment with the rifle. Most, myself included, am very surprised that Howa would let this product out of the QC loop seemingly unfinished.
THE SOLUTION?
One of our local range rimfire gurus had a pretty good suggestion. His feeling was that the spring clip holding the extractor and cartridge guide was too tight, not allowing the rounds to pop into the extractor properly. Well, he was right. Even with slow cycling, the round would pop up but not completely into proper position on the bolt face, and the top of the round would be getting slightly shaved at the top of the chamber.
After removing the spring clip and gently forming it a bit to lower the tension on the extractor, the rifle works perfectly now. The rounds spring right up to their correct location on the bolt face when cycling at any speed. No shaving of the rounds occurs. And the accuracy is pretty respectable now too. I am still testing various types, but usually start with 50 yd x 5 round groups. It seems to like Norma Match (best 0.5”), CCI Std (0.625”), SK Std+ (0.679”), RWS Target Rifle (0.80”); with these SV ammo brands, I seem to get 4 very tight rounds with a flier. Very strangely CCI Blazer seems to be the most consistent, it usually prints <1”. I’ve managed to get 0.511”, 0.567”, 0.662”, and 0.742” groups out of Blazer. I don’t think I’ve had any rifles shoot Blazer that well before.
I also removed a bit of material on the stock where it was contacting the barrel. This may have helped a bit too.
So is the rifle worth it? Before fixing this problem I would have said no. After these two small changes, it’s a completely different beast. I’m looking forward to trying out some different ammo. Fiddling with action screw tension may be helpful too. I really hope Howa will be putting some effort into fixing these issues, which should be pretty simple for the factory to clean up. If you were interested in the Howa M1100 but put off by the bad reviews, maybe this will help.
Any other suggestions or comments would be welcome!
