How's This For Salemanship?

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Mike Webb

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I was just browsing Joe Salter's Canadian Website and saw this gun for sale. It is an old Winchester .22 Thumb Trigger rifle. Not a super rare .22 as they made over 75,000 of them up until the 1920's. The ad actually includes the following description: "The wood shows no original finish but little sanding and no breaks. The bore rates as good with overall corrosion. The barrel shows an improved but attractive finish."
So we are talking about an economy Winchester .22, not rare from the early 20th century. Refinished wood, rough bore and reblued metal. Asking price?
$675!!!!
I daresay you would be doing well to get $250 out of this gun in my area. But maybe I am nuts?
 
So 75,000 made as a laymans rifle ending in the 1920's. That isn't many, and I doubt there are many left fireable. I do not know much about them at all, but there where far more 1886's made and in up to that era and how few of those are left?
It is worth what someone will pay for it, and I don't see New Brunswick as a firearms hot spot so you may be right. But I have seen Savage 1912's sell for $500 here in similar condition and that would be comparable outside the fact that more Savages were made.
And this is a rimfire right....might get more interest in another forum.
What is salesmanship?
 
rem338win said:
So 75,000 made as a laymans rifle ending in the 1920's. That isn't many, and I doubt there are many left fireable. I do not know much about them at all, but there where far more 1886's made and in up to that era and how few of those are left?
It is worth what someone will pay for it, and I don't see New Brunswick as a firearms hot spot so you may be right. But I have seen Savage 1912's sell for $500 here in similar condition and that would be comparable outside the fact that more Savages were made.
And this is a rimfire right....might get more interest in another forum.
What is salesmanship?
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Just making an observation about gun collecting in general. This .22 rifle is not a collector gun , refinished, reblued, bad bore and should not command a collector price tag. I could see one in original condition generating some interest but not this one. Plus the fact that it is a rimfire and the pool of collectors is smaller than those after 73,86,94 and 95 centerfires.
Salesmanship is the ability to make a turd sound like the find of the year.
Mods, feel free to move this to the rimfire forum. I wasn't making a comment about rimfires specifically, but internet firearm sites in general.
 
Copied and pasted from the 2011 Blue Book.

THUMB TRIGGER MODEL 99
- similar to 1902, with button behind cocking piece used to fire with thumb instead of trigger, not serial numbered. Approx. 75,433 were mfg. between 1904-1923.
Grading 100%....98%....95%...90%...80%...70%...60%...50%...40%...30%...20%...10%
..........N/A $2,250 $2,000 $1,750 $1,500 $1,200 $1,000 $800 $700 $600 $400 $350

New/Perfect - 100% condition with or without box. 100% on currently manufactured firearms
assumes NIB (New In Box) condition and not sold previously at retail.
Mint – typically 98%-99% condition, depending on the age of the firearm. Probably sold previously at
retail, and may have been shot occasionally.
Excellent - 95%+ - 98% condition (typically).
Very Good - 80% - 95% condition (all parts/finish should be original).
Good - 60% - 80% condition (all parts/finish should be original).
Fair - 20% - 60% condition (all parts/finish may or may not be original, but must function properly
and shoot).
Poor - under 20% condition (shooting not a factor).
 
guntech said:
Copied and pasted from the 2011 Blue Book.

THUMB TRIGGER MODEL 99
- similar to 1902, with button behind cocking piece used to fire with thumb instead of trigger, not serial numbered. Approx. 75,433 were mfg. between 1904-1923.
Grading 100%....98%....95%...90%...80%...70%...60%...50%...40%...30%...20%...10%
..........N/A $2,250 $2,000 $1,750 $1,500 $1,200 $1,000 $800 $700 $600 $400 $350

New/Perfect - 100% condition with or without box. 100% on currently manufactured firearms
assumes NIB (New In Box) condition and not sold previously at retail.
Mint – typically 98%-99% condition, depending on the age of the firearm. Probably sold previously at
retail, and may have been shot occasionally.
Excellent - 95%+ - 98% condition (typically).
Very Good - 80% - 95% condition (all parts/finish should be original).
Good - 60% - 80% condition (all parts/finish should be original).
Fair - 20% - 60% condition (all parts/finish may or may not be original, but must function properly
and shoot).
Poor - under 20% condition (shooting not a factor).
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Well looky there. Turd's a diamond.....:rolleyes:
And that description would do for roughly 40-50%.
 
From a collectors standpoint a Winchester with a refinished stock and reblued steel is the same as a 20% specimen at best as far as value goes. Any value it has is as a shooter and the gun is described as having corrosion throughout the bore.
In the real world Blue Book prices in general are much too high. Guess we'll have to agree to disagree.
 
Mike Webb said:
From a collectors standpoint a Winchester with a refinished stock and reblued steel is the same as a 20% specimen at best as far as value goes. Any value it has is as a shooter and the gun is described as having corrosion throughout the bore.
In the real world Blue Book prices in general are much too high. Guess we'll have to agree to disagree.
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Mike

Collector value of any firearm is heavily dependent on how many pieces are available in the market place. Thumb triggers in Canada, how many do you think there are? FS
 
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