Hunted the Sig Cross

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My Sig Cross .308 was one of the rifles I carried for much of this year's deer season. It was interesting; my preference is typically more for single shots, leverguns, etc. and when I use something that is a little more "tacticool" in design I tend to be disappointed. I took one deer with my Norc305 back before that became a crime, and hated it for its weight and loose, rattly construction. Shot a bunch of 'chucks and coyotes with a Colt HBAR back in the day as well, and that experience made me pretty much lose interest in the AR rifles. More recently, I used and enjoyed a Keltec RFB for deer and and RDB for coyotes; I actually liked both of those but I got tired of the difficulty involved in accessing the chamber due to the downward ejection.

Having said that...I really enjoyed the Cross. It is lightweight and accurate, handles nicely, shoulders nicely; the non-traditional looks may put some people off, including me, but there's little about which to complain otherwise. My specimen shoots everything well (most loads are right around 1MOA), and some handloads exceptionally well (5/8MOA). I used plain ordinary Federal Fusion 165gr ammo for the hunt, which was more than accurate enough for the longest shots my area might offer (just over 400 yards in a few spots, mostly less). I removed the plastic "bag-rider" gizmo at the bottom of the buttstock, which exposes a small groove that allows an M-Lok standard swivel stud to be mounted using the OEM screws; it's simply screwed on, not using the M-Lok nuts at all. Another M-Lok swivel base went at the front of the handguard. I'll probably switch over to using the QD swivel inlet base at the rear and a matching M-Lok version for the front at some point, as the pistol-grip configuration makes the standard bottom-mounted sporter type of sling less than ideal, but it worked fine for this hunt as I rarely slung the rifle.

I find that it's far superior to the typical bolt rifle in an aftermarket chassis that is so popular today. I'm a caveman who still likes to wrap his thumb around the pistol grip of a rifle; that's the whole point of having opposeable thumbs. Forcing me to remove my thumb, swing it all the way around the pistol grip under the stock to the safety, and then go all the way back to firing position just bugs me. The newer vertical-pistol-grip chassis/stocks like the KRG Bravo or the MDT XRS are more convenient for this maneuver and I much prefer them. But the Sig allows my thumb to access the safety on the left side with hardly any movement required. Or, if I decide to imitate the long-range "experts" whom I see actually manipulating the safety with their trigger finger...not likely!...the ambidextrous safety levers would even allow that.

I sat on stand mornings and evenings, and the Cross worked great for that, just leaning next to me within easy reach. During mid-day I still-hunted and I admit that I prefer the ergos of a typical sporting-rifle for that type of use. Folks who are more accustomed to the pistol-grip ergos would probably love this rifle.

The Sig feeds smoothly and reliably when cycled forcefully; unlike some rifles, it also works just fine when a round is carefully and slowly fed into the chamber with quiet deliberate movement. However...when the round snaps loose from the magazine lips, it rings like a giant tuning fork struck with a hammer. All that metal does not lend itself to silent operation. And, of course, the small ejection port makes single-loading less convenient than it is with many more open bolt actions. I found it easiest to point the gun directly downwards and drop the round into the chamber, but that's also not too quiet.

I love the easily adjustable LOP. It takes me from shirt-sleeve length to heavy-clothing length instantly, and allows setting up the rifle for a small shooter like my granddaughter in no time as well. The cheekpiece height is not something I would change that often, but it's also very easy to do. It's spring-loaded, so loosening the simple lever allows the piece to spring up to maximum height. Push it down with your cheek to the perfect setting, and then snap the lever shut; beautiful! I like having more than one optic pre-sighted in QD rings for my "serious" hunting guns, and having this easy adjustability will be nice if one optic has a larger objective and thus requires a higher mounting height than another.

Sig makes a plastic handguard cover that fits over the front of the magwell and extends onto the handguard, which should make the cold metal easier on the hands during winter hunts. Without that piece, I found myself wearing gloves to carry the gun for still-hunting, even though the air temperature didn't really call for them. This is my major beef with this gun, and it's not much more than a mild one.

A lot of folks will like this rifle because of its ergos and appearance; I like it despite them...but the bottom line is that I like it. :)

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What do it weigh?
There’s a dealer on here who has a used one that I’m interested in, but the barrel looks massive
 
What do it weigh?
There’s a dealer on here who has a used one that I’m interested in, but the barrel looks massive

Good question; I should have checked before posting. My rifle, equipped as shown with a 30mm S&B 6x42 scope in Leupold QRW rings, a small unknown-brand muzzle brake, an Ergo pistol grip and a nylon sling as shown, but without a magazine, shows on my bathroom scale as 8.8 pounds. Honestly, it feels much lighter thanks to the balance and weight distribution.

I'm a cheapskate, and I don't regret spending the money on this gun at all. :)
 
Thanks for the post! I’m trying to keep 3000$ in my bank account in case I come across one at a LGS. I’ve seen on the internet makes me think I’ll really like that rifle, just haven’t had the chance to handle one in person.

Just curious, why .308 instead of 6.5?
 
Aside from 50+ years of success with the .308...and a ton of components...and no interest whatsoever in the 6.5 after playing with for a year or so...and a desire to simplify and streamline my shooting rather than complicate and diversify it...no reason...:)
 
Thanks for the feedback JJohn, that's nice looking deer!

Sig should just include that plastic hand guard piece you mention in the box instead of charging $100 extra and the hassle of ordering it, that said they are at least available right now from the distributor.
 
Thanks for the feedback JJohn, that's nice looking deer!

Sig should just include that plastic hand guard piece you mention in the box instead of charging $100 extra and the hassle of ordering it, that said they are at least available right now from the distributor.

In the past I would have said get a SHTF wrap but doesn't look like anyone has stock anymore even states side.

Good for giving you a place to grip hot rails in the summer and stops cold aluminum from sapping heat in the winter.

Could still probably find a really wide suppressor wrap or something.
 
In the past I would have said get a SHTF wrap but doesn't look like anyone has stock anymore even states side.

Good for giving you a place to grip hot rails in the summer and stops cold aluminum from sapping heat in the winter.

Could still probably find a really wide suppressor wrap or something.

No doubt there are plenty of ways to wrap and insulate the handguard, or use gloves as John did.

I just think the rifle not only performs better with that missing plastic installed, but as a bonus it looks better as well.... :)

The ergonomics also look better if your gripping with your front hand just in front of the magazine.

I doubt that missing plastic piece costs much more then $10,why not just include it it in the box and let folks choose to use it or not?

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No doubt there are plenty of ways to wrap and insulate the handguard, or use gloves as John did.

I just think the rifle not only performs better with that missing plastic installed, but as a bonus it looks better as well.... :)

I doubt that missing plastic piece costs much more then $10,why not just include it it in the box and let folks choose to use it or not?

If its the thing I think you're talking about it only came out around the time the Cross PRS was announced. So might have something to do with that.

I still dont see them listed anywhere, I honestly forgot about it since I heard there was supposed to be part coming in.

So yeah sure sig could be less cheap but its not like it was even available to most of us when we bought in.
 
I first saw it on that long range hunter model that the guys in the States put together with the longer barrel, I thought maybe they had designed it but was surprised to find out it's a Sig Accessory.

The RDSC price is a bit more reasonable then what I was recently quoted for it from a different retailer, still pricey plastic... :)

Sig has a new 300 win mag coming out and from what I have seen it doesn't come with the foreend grip but they changed the folding mechanism.

Like I said, to my eye it compliments the lines of the rifle, offers protection from the cold and a more comfortable grip depending on shooting position,

The Sig is a pretty sweet little rifle and other then reports of wet snow getting into the bolt channel from the rear and freezing up the action, I don't see a lot of downsides. Price is reasonable for what it offers.

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Aside from 50+ years of success with the .308...and a ton of components...and no interest whatsoever in the 6.5 after playing with for a year or so...and a desire to simplify and streamline my shooting rather than complicate and diversify it...no reason...:)

Honestly I ask because I’ve got the reloading gear for both calibers and have wondered which I’d prefer in the Cross. Realistically over here I’m the max distance shot I’d take at a deer would be 300m in a cut and probably max 50m in the woods. The .308 with the short barrel would be a handy size but I wonder about ballistics and recoil because to be extra realistic, I’ll end up plinking at the range which means I’ll want it to be 1MOA at 600m. Otherwise, I’m sure 6.5 will take out any deer around here, the added 2 inches of barrel length could get me a touch more speed and the better ballistics would help for the 600m target.
 
Woohoo! Thanks for the heads-up, gents. I've been calling Charlton multiple times since January of this year, looking for info on that gadget. Just placed my order with RDSC for, apparently, the last/only one in stock.

I played around with making my own fabric heatguard/wrap but it was just a rag that would pick up ice/snow, thaw out when handled and then sit...soaking wet...against my rifle all day. I'm not at all concerned about overheating in hot weather, it's the cold thing that bugs me.

I'm ambivalent about the appearance of it, but I'm not in love with the looks of any rifle of this type, so that's not a huge deal.
 
Honestly I ask because I’ve got the reloading gear for both calibers and have wondered which I’d prefer in the Cross. Realistically over here I’m the max distance shot I’d take at a deer would be 300m in a cut and probably max 50m in the woods. The .308 with the short barrel would be a handy size but I wonder about ballistics and recoil because to be extra realistic, I’ll end up plinking at the range which means I’ll want it to be 1MOA at 600m. Otherwise, I’m sure 6.5 will take out any deer around here, the added 2 inches of barrel length could get me a touch more speed and the better ballistics would help for the 600m target.

Yeah, I get that on paper...both in terms of the math and also shooting at paper...the 6.5 is "superior", whatever that really means. But I rarely shoot at more than 400 yards, certainly not while hunting. I have a 500 yard target on my home range and I rarely even bother mowing that last 100 yards unless I have a specific goal in mind. And even at 500, the advantages of the 6.5 seem to be only a couple inches...literally, 2 or 3...in terms of trajectory and wind-drift. The 2-inch-shorter barrel on the .308 is likely just as meaningful to me, or even more so.

If I were to take up 1000-yard shooting, I would probably...probably...go with the 6.5. But I'm not going to ever do that, so...why?


The ergonomics also look better if your gripping with your front hand just in front of the magazine.

That's exactly the way I like to carry this rifle, balances nicely. I suspect that the way this item fills in that sharp angle where magwell meets forend will also improve comfort.

I doubt that missing plastic piece costs much more then $10,why not just include it it in the box and let folks choose to use it or not?

Makes sense, but...it they did that, there would likely be other folks complaining that the gun could have been cheaper without the gizmo, so...what to do? Can never please everybody.

When you've already sunk $2000+ into a gun, it feels like spending another hundred is almost an investment if you think it will be an improvement. I'm sure the marketing guys have analyzed this from every direction. :)
 
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That's exactly the way I like to carry this rifle, balances nicely. I suspect that the way this item fills in that sharp angle where magwell meets forend will also improve comfort.

Makes sense, but...it they did that, there would likely be other folks complaining that the gun could have been cheaper without the gizmo, so...what to do? Can never please everybody.

When you've already sunk $2000+ into a gun, it feels like spending another hundred is almost an investment if you think it will be an improvement. I'm sure the marketing guys have analyzed this from every direction. :)

No doubt there was some marketing and bean counters involved.... I doubt it would have seemed out of place though or that people would wonder why it was there.....

Maybe it would not make as much sense for bench shooting, but I don't see the Cross being aimed at bench shooters. It seems to shine as a compact and easy to carry rifle.
 
I love my 308 cross.

But last year it let me down.

The folder/striker channel let lite fluffy snow into the trigger mech and bolt. Little spike came out on the last day and I pressed a shot
Not even a click. Bolt trigger and striker froze solid. I had to use the exhaust from my truck to warm it up to get the bolt open. Thank god the trigger was froze or it could have went off.

I still hunt with and use it just watch water and snow.
 
Thanks for commenting Jamie, I could not remember who had had that experience. Have you figured out any ways of mitigating that issue during light snow and temps just below zero? I wonder if some grease blocking the access for the moisutre would help? Sort of like taping the muzzle to keep things from getting in the barrel during a hunt.

Was the safety also in operable after the attempted shot?
 
Thanks for commenting Jamie, I could not remember who had had that experience. Have you figured out any ways of mitigating that issue during light snow and temps just below zero? I wonder if some grease blocking the access for the moisutre would help? Sort of like taping the muzzle to keep things from getting in the barrel during a hunt.

Was the safety also in operable after the attempted shot?

Grease was what I did. But it’s messy. Also safety did work. Trigger and bolt stuck
 
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