Hunting Regs concerning Energy of cartridge

[tokguy]

Are there provinces that have a minimum energy level for hunting?
AB used to allow nothing shorter than 1.75" IIRC. But they dropped that requirement. Mind you the regs as they were banned the 44 Rem Mag... that seems silly.
Energy is the only calculatable way of discerning whether a Cartridge has enough 'Zang' to take hunting are my thoughts.
But I'm only familiar with AB & SK regs.

 

[Mauser98]

I found this in the BC Hunting Regs

ammunition to hunt bison must be constructed with a 175 grain or larger bullet, which retains 2,712 joules (2,000 ft lbs) or more energy at 100 m.

 

[DGY]

Up here for bisons minimum is 30-06 180gn a 2800fps

 

[iron cat]

Are there provinces that have a minimum energy level for hunting?
AB used to allow nothing shorter than 1.75" IIRC. But they dropped that requirement. Mind you the regs as they were banned the 44 Rem Mag... that seems silly.
Energy is the only calculatable way of discerning whether a Cartridge has enough 'Zang' to take hunting are my thoughts.
But I'm only familiar with AB & SK regs.

Yup that was a completely ridiculous law, it made many cartridges like the 44/40 illegal to use. The idea from what I understood was to make sure people didn't use stuff like 25/20's.
However the year the Shortmags came into it, that was was scrapped ( go figure) I still haven't met anyone hunting deer with a 25/20 though! LOL
Cat

 

[tokguy]

Yup that was a completely ridiculous law, it made many cartridges like the 44/40 illegal to use. The idea from what I understood was to make sure people didn't use stuff like 25/20's.
However the year the Shortmags came into it, that was was scrapped ( go figure) I still haven't met anyone hunting deer with a 25/20 though! LOL
Cat

You do know that a 25-20 and a 44-40 put out the same energy ( by Wiki's info anyhow) ?
25-20
60 gr (4 g) FP 2,101 ft/s (640 m/s) 588 ft⋅lbf (797 J)
75 gr (5 g) FP 1,877 ft/s (572 m/s) 587 ft⋅lbf (796 J)
86 gr (6 g) SP 1,673 ft/s (510 m/s) 535 ft⋅lbf (725 J
44-40
200 gr (13 g) lead 1,245 ft/s (379 m/s) 688 ft⋅lbf (933 J)
217 gr (14 g) lead 1,190 ft/s (360 m/s) 682 ft⋅lbf (925 J)
225 gr (15 g) lead 1,000 ft/s (300 m/s) 500 ft⋅lbf (680 J)
200 gr (13 g) lead 1,100 ft/s (340 m/s) 537 ft⋅lbf (728 J)

Do an average on those and see if I'm wrong? 44-40 is 602 and 25-20 is 570...that's pretty close IMO
The 44-40 seems to have the mythical 'Stopping Power' that the proponents of +40 cal group often relate to... but is unqualifiable.

Edit; I pondered a 44-40 at different times. But I've the spicier versions in that I've a 22 Hornet, 25-20, 32-20. As far as the pine board test... I've got a 38-55 and a 45 LC. Recognizing that you are usually a gentleman on here... I'm not blaggarding 44-40... as IIRC, I've seen pic's of you with a downed deer from one. Good show BTW.
Still a little shy on power for Joe Average though.

 

[Boomer686]

NL requires 1500ft/lbs muzzle energy & recommends 1800ft/lbs for big game.

 

[medvedqc]

Up here for bisons minimum is 30-06 180gn a 2800fps

at the muzzle.
correction caliber .30, and they are telling 30-06 is an example of what they think is the minimun but a .308 under the right can do meet that mini as well ...

as of today never met a co that can check the speed of the bullet nor check the weight of it ...

but as of today i can not find that regulations in the wildlife act only in the summary that is not the law ...

 

[DGY]

at the muzzle.
correction caliber .30, and they are telling 30-06 is an example of what they think is the minimun but a .308 under the right can do meet that mini as well ...

as of today never met a co that can check the speed of the bullet nor check the weight of it ...

but as of today i can not find that regulations in the wildlife act only in the summary that is not the law ...

Hmmmm interesting….

 

[BlackRam]

Having harvested a few bison over the years I have found that larger cartridges with more energy to be more proficient to providing quick, clean kills, (I prefer the 338 Win Mag or larger) as these are very large animals
Yes, smaller calibers and lighter bullets would work, with proper bullet placement...but a bison's vitals are not located as they are in deer, moose and elk, and unless one has harvested or butchered a bison (no small task LOL), they will not be aware of this, and know that shot placement is different than on the other species mentioned (vitals are lower and further back - a higher shoulder shot (more than halfway up the animal's chest) if it does not not the spine, will not touch the vitals).
This has led to more wounded and lost bison, While increased bullet diameter, weight and energy is not a great replacement for shot placement, I believe their theory was to provide a minimum energy number in hopes to mitigate wounded and lost animals. (the mind of a beaurocrat and not overly scientific or practical).

 

[medvedqc]

we all agree that if you can shoot it the bigger the better and i was for at at leat 250 grains and .358 caliber but this is not what we have. the hunter that was killed last year used a 338 win mag and the one that was stalked and charged used a 338 rum ... im for the 9.2x62/9.3x74r or 375 ruger/hh but not everybody wanted to use it ...