Hunting rigs or target rigs (emphasis on target rigs)
I was typing this up to reply to the Steyr vs Sako vs Sig thread. It seemed to me that thread was really about a comparison only between the three rifles mentioned. What I’m talking about here I think would have high jacked that thread.
I find it extremely difficult to give an opinion or to discuss a topic that involves dual purpose rigs and those that can be use for both hunting and target shooting. But that’s just me. What happens is that I go around in circles justifying this and justifying that and the whole thing turns into one big bowl of soup that’s just awful.
I don’t watch speed vision and see fuel dragsters on a formula one course and I don’t see formula one cars lined up at christmas trees. Ya ya there could be. So what’s the point?
It all depends on what "you" want to do. You can't get away from this. If it's a hunting rig that’s one purpose, if it's a target rig that a totally different purpose. Try to cross the two and you run into problems. It's not so much a problem, it's a decision making process. I’m sorry but some people just don’t deal well with some of decision making processes involved. Possibly one of the biggest is cost or it certainly can be.
Hunting rigs are generally lighter because you have to physically carrier it and maybe for some distance… depends on the type of hunting you’re into.
Target rigs depending on the discipline and class "you" want to shoot in can be quite a bit heavier. The weight is there in target rigs for balance, stability and to counter recoil if a heavier calibre is chosen; 6.5x284 maybe, though some free-recoil ‘em), 7s yup!
Hunting rigs I don’t know much about. I stay completely focused on what discipline I’m involved with and what’s got the best chance of winning. Target rigs I’m a little bit familiar with because I’ve had a few built and shot them over time. I’ve also bought one full blown custom off the shelf target rig a Tubb 2000… never again! (This had to do more with purpose than anything else).
Because of the principle behind the target rig which is generally the highest accuracy that can be achieved a target rig can be used for hunting. It’s damn sure going to be single shot accurate and grouping in the accuracy department. If the design includes long range (we can’t forget about 100/200/300 BR rigs because of their extreme accuracy, you’re welcome guys!) and you were hunting ground hogs on relatively open ground for example you could set up and not have to move and still whack them right out to 1000 yards. 1 MOA, ½ MOA ¼ MOA is relatively mute with the exception of very long distances and caliber weight vs game being shot or are we saying harvesting to be politically correct? In the hunting game, dead is dead.
The reverse just doesn’t work. Bring any of you’re hunting rigs to the 1000 yard line and your going to be in trouble collecting points. The disappointment factor in performance is high. Going up against full blown custom 1000 yard rigs in the hands of competent drivers who know how to use them and expecting to keep up rarely happens. Thanks for playing though.
In the competitive target shooting game and the key word here is “competitive” are you there to win or screw around? Sorry for the choice of words but we might as well be talking apples and apples. If you’re there to win “you” need to understand the odds of beating a full blown custom rig in the hands of a competent driver who knows how to read the wind/mirage
I’ve said this twice in two different ways. I should be specific in that I’m talking about f-class.
There’s some confusion here because some think they have to come to the line with very expensive custom target rifles. This all depends on where your head is at, in other words where “you” are at. If you’re new that’s one thing. If you’ve been long range target shooting for awhile you now know what you’re up against.
In the process of building your first long range competitive target rifle there’s a pile of home work to do or you take your chances bringing it to the line. You want to muddy the waters by saying well I have to hunt with it too? If you take a simplistic approach in that your only criteria, is one of cost you might also be in for a surprise.
Cost is relative thing. Are you a gunsmith by chance? If you are cost is naturally lower. If you’re not it’s naturally going to be higher. Are you a machinist? Do you have a buddy who is one? This can factor into the cost. Now if you include the cost of a full blown lathe and or a CNC machine or a milling machine where are you at? These things are involved in a build regardless if you own them or not.
So I come full circle back to what are you building? You need to be specific. Is it a hunting rig or is it a target shooting rig and ya we need the distance involved!
These dual purpose built guns IMHO you can argue them till your blue in the face and keep bringing them to the line. They aren’t going to get you the prom queen.
I was typing this up to reply to the Steyr vs Sako vs Sig thread. It seemed to me that thread was really about a comparison only between the three rifles mentioned. What I’m talking about here I think would have high jacked that thread.
I find it extremely difficult to give an opinion or to discuss a topic that involves dual purpose rigs and those that can be use for both hunting and target shooting. But that’s just me. What happens is that I go around in circles justifying this and justifying that and the whole thing turns into one big bowl of soup that’s just awful.
I don’t watch speed vision and see fuel dragsters on a formula one course and I don’t see formula one cars lined up at christmas trees. Ya ya there could be. So what’s the point?
It all depends on what "you" want to do. You can't get away from this. If it's a hunting rig that’s one purpose, if it's a target rig that a totally different purpose. Try to cross the two and you run into problems. It's not so much a problem, it's a decision making process. I’m sorry but some people just don’t deal well with some of decision making processes involved. Possibly one of the biggest is cost or it certainly can be.
Hunting rigs are generally lighter because you have to physically carrier it and maybe for some distance… depends on the type of hunting you’re into.
Target rigs depending on the discipline and class "you" want to shoot in can be quite a bit heavier. The weight is there in target rigs for balance, stability and to counter recoil if a heavier calibre is chosen; 6.5x284 maybe, though some free-recoil ‘em), 7s yup!
Hunting rigs I don’t know much about. I stay completely focused on what discipline I’m involved with and what’s got the best chance of winning. Target rigs I’m a little bit familiar with because I’ve had a few built and shot them over time. I’ve also bought one full blown custom off the shelf target rig a Tubb 2000… never again! (This had to do more with purpose than anything else).
Because of the principle behind the target rig which is generally the highest accuracy that can be achieved a target rig can be used for hunting. It’s damn sure going to be single shot accurate and grouping in the accuracy department. If the design includes long range (we can’t forget about 100/200/300 BR rigs because of their extreme accuracy, you’re welcome guys!) and you were hunting ground hogs on relatively open ground for example you could set up and not have to move and still whack them right out to 1000 yards. 1 MOA, ½ MOA ¼ MOA is relatively mute with the exception of very long distances and caliber weight vs game being shot or are we saying harvesting to be politically correct? In the hunting game, dead is dead.
The reverse just doesn’t work. Bring any of you’re hunting rigs to the 1000 yard line and your going to be in trouble collecting points. The disappointment factor in performance is high. Going up against full blown custom 1000 yard rigs in the hands of competent drivers who know how to use them and expecting to keep up rarely happens. Thanks for playing though.
In the competitive target shooting game and the key word here is “competitive” are you there to win or screw around? Sorry for the choice of words but we might as well be talking apples and apples. If you’re there to win “you” need to understand the odds of beating a full blown custom rig in the hands of a competent driver who knows how to read the wind/mirage
I’ve said this twice in two different ways. I should be specific in that I’m talking about f-class.
There’s some confusion here because some think they have to come to the line with very expensive custom target rifles. This all depends on where your head is at, in other words where “you” are at. If you’re new that’s one thing. If you’ve been long range target shooting for awhile you now know what you’re up against.
In the process of building your first long range competitive target rifle there’s a pile of home work to do or you take your chances bringing it to the line. You want to muddy the waters by saying well I have to hunt with it too? If you take a simplistic approach in that your only criteria, is one of cost you might also be in for a surprise.
Cost is relative thing. Are you a gunsmith by chance? If you are cost is naturally lower. If you’re not it’s naturally going to be higher. Are you a machinist? Do you have a buddy who is one? This can factor into the cost. Now if you include the cost of a full blown lathe and or a CNC machine or a milling machine where are you at? These things are involved in a build regardless if you own them or not.
So I come full circle back to what are you building? You need to be specific. Is it a hunting rig or is it a target shooting rig and ya we need the distance involved!
These dual purpose built guns IMHO you can argue them till your blue in the face and keep bringing them to the line. They aren’t going to get you the prom queen.
