Hunting without PAL
- Thread starter sparky1972
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thepolinator
CGN frequent flyer
- Location
- Sudbury, ON
1 gun per Pal. So bring a bow...
What he said.
What do you think is close proximity?
Could be under direct supervision so pretty much right besides each other.
coleman1495
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
- Location
- Whitecourt
My experience at least in Alberta is that I wouldn’t worry about it. For some reason the CO’s aren’t interested in your PAL. It’s pretty much just about your paper license and that’s it.
wouldnt work in ontario, archery season is closed during gun season, is alberta different?
This is not true in area 65.
If Dad is already bringing a firearm, probabally gun season and carrying a bow would be ok. Vice versa not so if hunting. Also in direct supervision can carry gun on your own, presuming you have a valid license for hunting.
I've hunted many times with friends who do not yet have PAL and have loaned them a firearm.
I am not sure where I came to my understanding of the rules but I'm pretty sure "direct supervision" means staying close together while hunting. Meaning close enough to easily communicate and be within immediate vicinity of eye contact. No different than standing behind the firing line at the range when a non PAL holder steps up to shoot a rifle on the bench.
Good examples would be say sharing a blind or tree stand while deer or duck hunting.... or walking side by side behind the dogs taking turns at pheasant or grouse..... but I'm sure there are other hunting scenarios where "direct supervision" is pretty easy to accomplish.
people worry too much.... use your head, be responsible and I see no problem unless someone can actually show me regulation that defines this and clearly says otherwise.
I am not sure where I came to my understanding of the rules but I'm pretty sure "direct supervision" means staying close together while hunting. Meaning close enough to easily communicate and be within immediate vicinity of eye contact. No different than standing behind the firing line at the range when a non PAL holder steps up to shoot a rifle on the bench.
Good examples would be say sharing a blind or tree stand while deer or duck hunting.... or walking side by side behind the dogs taking turns at pheasant or grouse..... but I'm sure there are other hunting scenarios where "direct supervision" is pretty easy to accomplish.
people worry too much.... use your head, be responsible and I see no problem unless someone can actually show me regulation that defines this and clearly says otherwise.
Trimmer 905
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
Not to hijack this thread,but,It's not true in any other Ontario WMU either. Archery may be used during all Deer gun seasons. Blaze orange is required by everyone during all gun seasons for Deer,Elk,Moose and licensed Black Bear hunters (except when in a tree stand).
Possession of a firearm without a PAL/RPAL is a criminal offense no matter which way you spin it. You may hunt with your relative with one firearm between you AND he must be within close proximity (defined as arms length in established case law).
Kids as young as 12 can hunt big game in Sask(with firearms safety &, license) but they must be accompanied by an adult(18 & older,). They can hunt unsupervised when 16 and I am not sure but I think you have to be 18 to have PAL?
Grey area....as allready mentioned C.Os are more worried about license and wildlife act then PAL.....and when the rifle is being transported accordingly (unloaded and encased when stipulated).
Grey area....as allready mentioned C.Os are more worried about license and wildlife act then PAL.....and when the rifle is being transported accordingly (unloaded and encased when stipulated).
greywolf67nt
CGN frequent flyer
- Location
- Stony Plain, AB
From the Firearms Act
33 Subject to section 34, a person may lend a firearm only if
(b) the borrower uses the firearm under the direct and IMMEDIATE supervision of the person in the same manner in which the person may lawfully use it.
That pretty much says you are right there not off somewhere else. The main intent is to be able to react INSTANTLY if the non-PAL holder goes to do something stupid. You can't do that with your hands full.
Kids can get their minor's PAL at 12 and it allows them to buy ammunition and borrow a firearm (not own one) and supervision MAY be a condition placed on their PAL by the CFO. I imagine the age for hunting is determined by the provincial regs.
It is NOT a grey area it is ILLEGAL to be in possession of a firearm without holding a PAL. It surprises me COs aren't checking as they are so anal about everything.
33 Subject to section 34, a person may lend a firearm only if
(b) the borrower uses the firearm under the direct and IMMEDIATE supervision of the person in the same manner in which the person may lawfully use it.
That pretty much says you are right there not off somewhere else. The main intent is to be able to react INSTANTLY if the non-PAL holder goes to do something stupid. You can't do that with your hands full.
Kids can get their minor's PAL at 12 and it allows them to buy ammunition and borrow a firearm (not own one) and supervision MAY be a condition placed on their PAL by the CFO. I imagine the age for hunting is determined by the provincial regs.
It is NOT a grey area it is ILLEGAL to be in possession of a firearm without holding a PAL. It surprises me COs aren't checking as they are so anal about everything.
Leavenworth
CGN frequent flyer
- Location
- Lowermainland B.C.
Bustercluck
CGN Regular
- Location
- Fort McMurray
I wouldn't worry about it. I haven't been asked for my pal by any co or the rcmp. Me, my brother and my dad always hunted together before we got our pal. 1 pal, 3 hunters, 3 rifles. Seems like a pretty stupid rule to me.
