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ok i am fairly new to all this and such but i have this friend that has been into the game a little longer then me. now i was looking at getting a couple of milsurps like a mosin, and sks and possibly a tt-33. now my friend just sh!$ on me every time saying that these are crap and no good. its not like i am going big game hunting with them and all. just want to own a piece of history. iam starting with these because for my price range they are a good bet. i would like to get in to enfields and mausers when i have a little more cash and i feel i am a better shooter. i would like the 2 cents from people here about good choices and what to look for when buying one of these older rifles.

i could realy care less what my buddys says about them i just need some ammo to throw back at him lol.

thanks all
KCCO
 
I have all 3 and for the price their hard too beat id get em then add in a lee enfeild and then a k31 or a mauser
 
ok i am fairly new to all this and such but i have this friend that has been into the game a little longer then me. now i was looking at getting a couple of milsurps like a mosin, and sks and possibly a tt-33. now my friend just sh!$ on me every time saying that these are crap and no good. its not like i am going big game hunting with them and all. just want to own a piece of history. iam starting with these because for my price range they are a good bet. i would like to get in to enfields and mausers when i have a little more cash and i feel i am a better shooter. i would like the 2 cents from people here about good choices and what to look for when buying one of these older rifles.

i could realy care less what my buddys says about them i just need some ammo to throw back at him lol.

thanks all
KCCO

buy what you want man... you're the one who has to enjoy it :)

Personally I love a good Mosin, cheap, accurate easily available [cheap!] ammo, nice satisfying bolt.
"Mosins are cheap crap and not very accurate" - bullshoy! let's ask Vasili Ziets-whatever his opinion, they were good enough for 2 world wars, civil wars and insurgencies and you can still see Afghans toting the darnd things around today!
"the trigger sucks, too mushy" - more bullshoy! it's awesome - fosters good trigger discipline , you never really know when the dammn thing will go off!

you can knock anything down with a 7mm mauser ... those South American Mausers are some of the finest quality rifles ever produced. [IMHO] & you can tuck yourself in with a nice matching one for around $350

what to look for?
do your homework, google, ask here, find out the market value. then buy what you want. If you want it because it's pretty, buy it. have fun.
If you go to a gun show, wheel and deal, don't pay sticker price without first trying to knock $25 off or include a sling, handfull of brass or something...

If you want collector grade.... my advise is 'wait' more homework, more research then more waiting. Don't buy the first Nazi K98 that comes down the pipe just because it is what it is, 'wait' - that gun with all the extras and toys you want is out there, it will come up for sale eventually, just be patient and ready to pounce cause someone else is waiting for it too. [quite likely me! :) ]


have fun and be safe!
 
Do you want a rifle to shoot and not care about or would you rather have a rifle to hang on the wall. If you add all of them togther you could buy a nicer more expensive rifle but it really depends on what you want to use them for. They're cheap because there are lots of them and they're sitting around sure you get some junk in the bunch but thats the way it goes with any surplus firearms.

I don't like the sks but I still own one... I don't care what happens to it as it really has no history in that spefic rifle as it was unissused I did drop it in the dirt when i burned my self on the gas tube when I was setting it down so I let go and let it hit the ground. I was conserned about it dusted it off and shot it some more it just added some charature to the rifle if you take some of the more expensive rifles I would of said a few swear words but it really depends on what you want. The TT 38 is abit hard to find...


Now with surplus expesically wartime surplus they're not as nice as prewar or after the war because they rushed to make them and cut corners on allot of things but they still work just fine. If you find a mos nagant with a hex reciever just buy it as they were made round during the war ie not as nice and if you compare them side by side you really see it.
 
"its not like i am going big game hunting with them and all. just want to own a piece of history."

Why not? The trusty old .303 British has probably knocked down more game in this country than all the others combined! It is a fine round, and does a nice job on Whitetails, and has also taken its fair share of Moose!
 
A Mosin Nagant was my entry into the world of collecting over 30 years ago.I still have the first four Mosins that I bought and I would never sell them.Since then I have branched out to collect Commonwealth and US military weapons.Some are my pride and joy,some are just filling in a space until I find a better example.Buy what makes you feel good,but buy the best that you can afford.If you want to upgrade later it would be better to have all correct numbers matching than a electro-penciled refurb,unless it has a sewer pipe for a bore.Out of curiosity what does your friend expound as the ultimate milsurp weapon to collect?
 
OP, stop and think real hard about this for half a second.

Milsurps are addicting. OK, I did the gentlemanly thing and warned you.

Milsurps in VG+ concition, inside and out, even mismatched, will shoot as well as you can hold them. Most people today, don't know how to shoot iron sights and control their trigger or their trigger finger.

Lee Enfields can be extremely frustrating as they have been allowed to deteriorate for 60+ years. Sloppy bedding from shrinkage or someone removing the bedding piller from the king screw and not putting it back.

Start with a cheap sporter that was well done and maybe even drilled for a scope mount. Finding shootable quantities of cheap milsurp ammo for it is very unlikely. Maybe a few rounds at gunshows.

The Mosins and the SKS rifles, along with their ammo, are the deals of the century. Start with them to get an idea of what you like.

Just remember, condition is everything. If you're looking for shooter, in many cases condition is far more important than matching numbers.

Go to the Milsurps.com site and read their libraries as well as their threads on problems to look out for. Very informational.
 
I have a friend who kept getting ragged on by his hunting buddies over bringing an SKS to deer camp.
So he climbed into a tree stand and chucked his rifle as far as he could, picked it up and put a five round group into a tree. Then he challenged any of them to do the same with their overpriced Italian sporting rifles.
No one took up the challenge and they all shut up forevermore.
 
I have a friend who kept getting ragged on by his hunting buddies over bringing an SKS to deer camp.
So he climbed into a tree stand and chucked his rifle as far as he could, picked it up and put a five round group into a tree. Then he challenged any of them to do the same with their overpriced Italian sporting rifles.
No one took up the challenge and they all shut up forevermore.

LOL Yup hard to beat that.
 
I have a friend who kept getting ragged on by his hunting buddies over bringing an SKS to deer camp.
So he climbed into a tree stand and chucked his rifle as far as he could, picked it up and put a five round group into a tree. Then he challenged any of them to do the same with their overpriced Italian sporting rifles.
No one took up the challenge and they all shut up forevermore.

Haaaaahahahahaha! That would have been priceless to see.
 
"its not like i am going big game hunting with them and all. just want to own a piece of history."

Why not? The trusty old .303 British has probably knocked down more game in this country than all the others combined! It is a fine round, and does a nice job on Whitetails, and has also taken its fair share of Moose!
I'd bet that where I originally come from that the 303 British probably accounted for much more than it's fair share of moose and then some.30-30 close behind.From the amount of 303 brass I still find in some of the gravel pits there must still be a fair number still doing duty.Good to see that.
 
I have a friend who kept getting ragged on by his hunting buddies over bringing an SKS to deer camp.
So he climbed into a tree stand and chucked his rifle as far as he could, picked it up and put a five round group into a tree. Then he challenged any of them to do the same with their overpriced Italian sporting rifles.
No one took up the challenge and they all shut up forevermore.

That is GOLD!
 
I have a friend who kept getting ragged on by his hunting buddies over bringing an SKS to deer camp.
So he climbed into a tree stand and chucked his rifle as far as he could, picked it up and put a five round group into a tree. Then he challenged any of them to do the same with their overpriced Italian sporting rifles.
No one took up the challenge and they all shut up forevermore.

priceless
 
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when your buddy starts paying for your rifles ,let him decide what to buy. skip the sks and get a svt 40.[/QUOTE)

Wrong. Get the first three you mentioned AND an svt40. And tell your buddy to F off when he asks to shoot them.
 
A lot of people like to crap on Russian surplus cause they are a little crude and not finished like a European hunting rifle.

But they are affordable, have history and character, and a lot of them shoot pretty good too.

The firearms you have mentioned will work for hunting and target. You can't go wrong.

When you get more experience and your tastes change, the Mosin 91/30 makes a hell of a wall hanger with the bayonet fixed!
 
start with a good old SKS, can pick one up basically anywhere, and if you can't find one locally, buy one from one of the sponsors on top of the page, I can pretty much guarantee that almost everyone on CGN has at least one sks or some type of surplus rifle.

I started with an SKS and then got a Mosin, then my neighbour got me into lee enfields which I can tell you if you do your homework and buy ones that are collector grade you'll be paying a high price.

Honestly, buy what you want and what makes you feel good about collecting and shooting and tell your bud to piss off unless he's funding your new hobby. :)
 
Okay, friend, let's analyse this a bit.

Not much money. More interested in the history of the things than modern-day utility. You list so far has an MN, SKS and TT on it and an SVT has been proposed, as well as Lee-Enfields. Add Carcanos and it's starting to look like my rack. I have a friend who calls me "The Garbage Gun Curmudgeon"..... but he does it with a smile because I have more old wrecks than he has.

Cheapest old rifles on the go are the Moisin-Nagant series. I got a 1906 Tula and a 1907 Sestroryetsk back when they were $50 guns. They were both "worn-out" at one point and counterbored. They have been through the Great War, Finnish Independence War, Winter War, Second World War, Continuation War and that ugly little war on the Mannerheim Line when the Reds tried (again) to destroy Finland. That's enough history for anything to carry around, especially considering the cash-money price. Both rifles look as if those wars ran right over top of them...... and, if you feed them what they want, they BOTH are honest 1-1/2 MOA rifles. And here's the fun part: the 1906 ran for years and years with a CRACKED locking-lug (which I replaced)! I don't think there are ANY commercial rifles that TOUGH. And 1-1/2 MOA means a solid heart shot on a deer out to at least 200 yards, possibly double that with the tiniest bit of luck.

SKS is pure Cold War: occupation of Poland, occupation of East Germany, putting down the Hungarian Revolution. They are a solid, reliable little rifle, not all that accurate bu that is mostly doe to folks using 50-year-old scrap ammo in them. They CAN be more accurate but you have to feed them decent ammo. ENOUGH power to whack a deer but bullet placement is VERY important because you have no excess of power on your side. And they are "cheap like borshchdt" and they are a lot of fun. Anyone who can't see that far has no sense of FUN.

There are other funny old things out there which are frowned upon by the "shiny-new-is-best" guys. Other night, I was answering a query on this forum about a Carcano, wanted to double-check a statement, so I dragged a 1918 out of the closet. As I was confirming what I was writing, noticed a tiny chamber stamping which I had missed previously: crossed rifles and a target. My rifle was tested at the factory 94 years ago and approved for competition use and for sniping! It was dropped off here as a source of parts during the Registry because the old owner was afraid to keep it. I have an original WWI sniping rifle with an excellent bore.... for a net investment of $0.00. It HAD been on its way to the Pipestone Dump but, somehow, just never got that far. It will be on the range this coming Summer, along with a supply of GOOD ammo, so we will see just what one could DO.

You can get 1 MOA out of Garands, Springfields, many Mausers, Moisin-Nagants, Carcanos, Lee-Enfields and a host of others. SOME will shrink that to 1/2 MOA but the ammo must be CONSISTENT and the rifle bedded properly AND a good bore. A FEW will even go better than that: I have seen Mausers and Lee-Enfields and ROSSES shooting half-inch groups off the sandbags..... and I don't think there are very many shiny-new modern rifles which can do a lot better than that.

Modern rifles mostly have buttoned barrels. The process gives you an acceptable barrel cheaply, but most of them are not a lot better than the carefully-made, cut-rifled, hand-lapped barrels of a century ago. They are, simply, made with a faster and cheaper process which turns out a good barrel. What the old-timers did not have in TECHNOLOGY they made up for with KNOWLEDGE and SKILL and careful HAND-WORK. It is only NOW that we have the precision-made bullets and primers and propellants with which to take full advantage of many of these century-old barrels!

So go ahead, get what you want, learn about them, have fun with them, baby them, experiment with them, handload for them...... and MAKE them shoot as good as a new Remchester or Savington or Winmar. Your old "junkers" will still be on the range long after the shiny-new ones have been recycled into Toyotas.

Most important of all: have fun.

And welcome to The Club!
 
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