I know the m305 are on the prohib list but as a harvester.
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onetwentyish
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There are provisions for sustenance Hunters to continue using them if they have nothing else suitable. Not saying you won't be charged but you might have a viable legal defense if caught using it. Best talk to a lawyer and read the OIC yourself.
Personally it just looks like a trap to me...
Personally it just looks like a trap to me...
maple_leaf_eh
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
I found an on-line transcript of the OIC press conference when it was fresh. The word 'hunting' is there 7 times. Pinch your nose when you read this because the answer is hidden between the extremism and the hyperbole.
Justin Trudeau: (04:26)
Today we are closing the market for military grade assault weapons in Canada. We are banning 1500 models and variants of these firearms by way of regulations. These weapons were designed for one purpose and one purpose only to kill the largest number of people in the shortest amount of time. There is no use and no place for such weapons in Canada. For many families, including many indigenous people, firearms are part of traditions passed down through generations and the vast majority of gun owners use them safely, responsibly, and in accordance with the law, whether it be for work, sport shooting, for collecting or for hunting, but you don’t need an AR-15 to bring down a deer. Effective immediately, it is no longer permitted to buy, sell, transport, import or use military grade assault weapons in this country. To protect law abiding gun owners from criminal liability until they can take steps to comply with this new law, there will be a two year amnesty period and we will legislate fair compensation.
Bill Blair: (10:18)
And sadly, gun violence is not a new thing in our society, but it’s made all the more deadly with the proliferation of firearms that are more powerful than ever before. Assault style firearms, those that were not designed for hunting or sports shooting, but they have become more and more prevalent in our Canadian retail market. And for as long as these guns have existed, they’ve been capable of inflicting tremendous damage when they fall into the wrong hands. And for example, in 1989 14 women were murdered at Ecole Polytechnique in a horrific act of deadly misogyny. 17 years later, Montreal was shaking yet again with the shooting at Dawson College. In 2014, Moncton was terrorized by a criminal that took the lives of three RCMP officers. And three years ago in January in Satine-Foy, Quebec, a shooter killed six innocent Muslims while they were in prayer.
Bill Blair: (13:20)
I’d like to take a moment if I may, to speak to the law abiding Canadian gun owners. I know from very many years of experience as a police officer that the overwhelming majority of gun owners in this country are law abiding. They are responsible, they are conscientious, they acquire their weapons legally, they store them securely and they use them safely. They respect our laws and we respect them. I want to assure hunters and farmers and target shooters in this country that nothing that we are doing today or will do in the future is intended to interfere with this lawful, responsible and legal activity. However, we are today ending the availability of weapons that were not designed for hunting or for target shooting. They were rather designed for soldiers to kill other soldiers. And while I appreciate that some may feel that these weapons have some recreational value, the tragic reality is that these weapons were designed to kill people and have been used to kill innocent Canadians.
David Lametti: (19:58)
[foreign language 00:03:54] First and foremost, anyone in possession of these newly prohibited firearms can no longer use them, even during the amnesty period. Secondly, these firearms cannot be imported or sold to individuals in Canada. Third, these firearms can be legally exported during the two year timeframe with a valid export permit. In addition, a business owner may return the firearm to its manufacturer. Finally, these firearms must be safely stored in accordance with the law. They can only be transferred or transported for the purposes of deactivation, export with a permit, or surrender to police without compensation. Or if the person is not the owner of the firearm, to return the firearm to its rightful owner. There will be an exception for indigenous peoples exercising a section 35 hunting right, as well as those who use the weapon for hunting to feed themselves or their family. They may continue using firearms that were previously non restricted for these purposes until a suitable replacement can be acquired. We’re asking that no one attempt to surrender their firearm while social distancing because of COVID-19 is being practiced. As I have indicated at the end of the amnesty period, all firearm owners will have to be in compliance with the prohibition. [foreign language 00:05:35]
Speaker 3: (26:02)
[foreign language 00:06: 18]
Chrystia Freeland: (26:05)
Good morning. I grew up on a farm in Northern Alberta. We had guns on our farm and we still do, as on many farms across our country. If there were bears around, my dad would keep a gun in his truck and sometimes he’d hunt prairie chickens on his way home for supper. And you know what? Neither my dad nor any other farmer I knew then or have known since, owned an assault rifle or an assault style rifle. That’s because those weapons are not for hunting. They aren’t for shooting a prairie chicken or scaring off a bear. They’re designed for only one purpose: to kill people and to look like they can kill people. [ foreign language 00:10:56]
Justin Trudeau: (04:26)
Today we are closing the market for military grade assault weapons in Canada. We are banning 1500 models and variants of these firearms by way of regulations. These weapons were designed for one purpose and one purpose only to kill the largest number of people in the shortest amount of time. There is no use and no place for such weapons in Canada. For many families, including many indigenous people, firearms are part of traditions passed down through generations and the vast majority of gun owners use them safely, responsibly, and in accordance with the law, whether it be for work, sport shooting, for collecting or for hunting, but you don’t need an AR-15 to bring down a deer. Effective immediately, it is no longer permitted to buy, sell, transport, import or use military grade assault weapons in this country. To protect law abiding gun owners from criminal liability until they can take steps to comply with this new law, there will be a two year amnesty period and we will legislate fair compensation.
Bill Blair: (10:18)
And sadly, gun violence is not a new thing in our society, but it’s made all the more deadly with the proliferation of firearms that are more powerful than ever before. Assault style firearms, those that were not designed for hunting or sports shooting, but they have become more and more prevalent in our Canadian retail market. And for as long as these guns have existed, they’ve been capable of inflicting tremendous damage when they fall into the wrong hands. And for example, in 1989 14 women were murdered at Ecole Polytechnique in a horrific act of deadly misogyny. 17 years later, Montreal was shaking yet again with the shooting at Dawson College. In 2014, Moncton was terrorized by a criminal that took the lives of three RCMP officers. And three years ago in January in Satine-Foy, Quebec, a shooter killed six innocent Muslims while they were in prayer.
Bill Blair: (13:20)
I’d like to take a moment if I may, to speak to the law abiding Canadian gun owners. I know from very many years of experience as a police officer that the overwhelming majority of gun owners in this country are law abiding. They are responsible, they are conscientious, they acquire their weapons legally, they store them securely and they use them safely. They respect our laws and we respect them. I want to assure hunters and farmers and target shooters in this country that nothing that we are doing today or will do in the future is intended to interfere with this lawful, responsible and legal activity. However, we are today ending the availability of weapons that were not designed for hunting or for target shooting. They were rather designed for soldiers to kill other soldiers. And while I appreciate that some may feel that these weapons have some recreational value, the tragic reality is that these weapons were designed to kill people and have been used to kill innocent Canadians.
David Lametti: (19:58)
[foreign language 00:03:54] First and foremost, anyone in possession of these newly prohibited firearms can no longer use them, even during the amnesty period. Secondly, these firearms cannot be imported or sold to individuals in Canada. Third, these firearms can be legally exported during the two year timeframe with a valid export permit. In addition, a business owner may return the firearm to its manufacturer. Finally, these firearms must be safely stored in accordance with the law. They can only be transferred or transported for the purposes of deactivation, export with a permit, or surrender to police without compensation. Or if the person is not the owner of the firearm, to return the firearm to its rightful owner. There will be an exception for indigenous peoples exercising a section 35 hunting right, as well as those who use the weapon for hunting to feed themselves or their family. They may continue using firearms that were previously non restricted for these purposes until a suitable replacement can be acquired. We’re asking that no one attempt to surrender their firearm while social distancing because of COVID-19 is being practiced. As I have indicated at the end of the amnesty period, all firearm owners will have to be in compliance with the prohibition. [foreign language 00:05:35]
Speaker 3: (26:02)
[foreign language 00:06: 18]
Chrystia Freeland: (26:05)
Good morning. I grew up on a farm in Northern Alberta. We had guns on our farm and we still do, as on many farms across our country. If there were bears around, my dad would keep a gun in his truck and sometimes he’d hunt prairie chickens on his way home for supper. And you know what? Neither my dad nor any other farmer I knew then or have known since, owned an assault rifle or an assault style rifle. That’s because those weapons are not for hunting. They aren’t for shooting a prairie chicken or scaring off a bear. They’re designed for only one purpose: to kill people and to look like they can kill people. [ foreign language 00:10:56]
What crops are you harvesting that requires a M14? Wild Wheat? Carnivore Corn? Beastly Beets? Lawless Lettuce? Radical Radish?
I had a guy ask me what I harvested after deer season one year. I told him I didn't harvest anything, I shot a friggin deer.
I don't like replacing hunting with harvesting. Sometimes you've just got to call a spade a spade.
I had a guy ask me what I harvested after deer season one year. I told him I didn't harvest anything, I shot a friggin deer.
I don't like replacing hunting with harvesting. Sometimes you've just got to call a spade a spade.
Generally same here but depends how its done. Some methods are genuinely so passive its hard to call them hunting lol. "Killing" might work for that case I guess, though.
Like Komodo said, after watching the Ian Runkle video....I wouldn't try it. Wouldn't be eager to serve as the first test case. They saw a potential vulnerability to their law and came up with a workaround that still doesn't protect the individual quite brilliantly.
I'm Metis, have S35 rights that protect my hunting heritage and I am disabled with zero personal income. On top of this I sold several firearms to fund the building of a firearm that , as a disabled person, enables me to continue hunting. Then the government bans the firearm I aquired that the "experts" at the firearms lab had previously deemed Non Restricted...... all done by lies. Then they expect me to aquire a new firearm that "they" deem is appropriate for hunting and as a disabled person with no income how am I to do this?
I will happily see them in court and have zero plans to comply with this garbage.
As an Indigenous person the first thing I will do if arrested is demand restorative justice. BC Metis Nation has voted for self government and I am trying to establish thier position on this whole load of crap from the liberals.
I can't believe with over 2 million gun owners in this country that as a community and culture, we are collectively letting these douche bags get away with stripping us all of our rights and for many of us , 10's of thousands of dollars in property.
btw..... I have zero personal income because trudeau's OIC ended my small firearms related business by the banning of firearms I make accessories for.
Would love to find a way to launch a class action lawsuit against the liberal party and the rcmp
I feel for you brother. The turd & his ilk don't give a flying fvck about anyone's rights as long as they get their own way.
You can go hunting with it as long as you can proof you are a hunter and you don't eat beef,pork and chicken or it is not available in your area and please register your firearm so we can confiscate it whenever we want specially before election.
you can expect to get arrested if caught. You may (very likely) or may not be found guilty after going and paying through the legal process. Ask yourself if this is worth it to you.
From the legal cost you would be able to buy a hunting rifle made from solid gold
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If you believe the OIC as written then that same wording can be used for your defense if charged.
You are simply waiting for 'fair' payment of your existing firearm to buy it's replacement.
Until then you will continue to hunt with your existing firearm.
You are simply waiting for 'fair' payment of your existing firearm to buy it's replacement.
Until then you will continue to hunt with your existing firearm.
the amnesty is not for hunters, its for them to gain time to implement whatever next steps. the hunter bull#### was put in there so they can claim its not against hunters and its not against FN.
No cop gives a #### about any of this when they catch you with a prohib rifle. Its rifle confiscated and off to jail with you. Its then YOUR problem to prove innocence in court. My guess is that will be $10-30k...
YOU may be getting away a bit easier if you are FN since some cops may not want to mess with FN
and this is why canadian gun owners keep getting run over every time the liberals get going with gun control
ya'all roll over like sheep..... ya'all refuse to draw a line in the sand
what is $10 to 30K ???? that too much to pay to fight for your freedoms?
the liberals have you right where they want you.... cowering in a corner, afraid to stick your neck out
I'm ashamed to be among such company
good for you. Go right ahead and drop 30k in a lost court battle. You will have more net gain of you put those 30k into getting CPC elected or support court challenges with those 30k.
There is only one thing that lets you keep your guns and that is getting the liberals out of government.
If the liberals stay in power you will lose much more than just your guns so focus on getting them out rather than yourself into prison.
