I suspect I am not "normally constituted"...

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Sako is now making the Brown Bear in .500 Jeffery. So now of course I am curious - not that I am going to get one, I'm just curious. I was doing some reading and according John Taylor:

"This is the most powerful sporting magazine rifle that has ever been placed on the market. It's a glorious weapon, and very easy and pleasant to handle and shoot. I used three of these rifles at different times, trying them out for their owners, and each time told myself that I simply must get one for myself. This is the only magazine rifle that has ever had that effect on me. I preferred it to the .505, but it's not easy to say why; I think the answer is to be found in the fatter fore-arm with which Jeffery fitted his weapons and which gave me a much better and more comfortable grip.

These were, I think, the most perfectly balanced magazine rifles I ever used. If I was having one built, however, I should certainly insist on a 22" barrel instead of the 24" that is normally fitted. The cartridge has an ample reserve of power to permit of this reduction in barrel length, whilst still leaving an adequate reserve. As with the 505, I was most pleasantly surprised at the lightness of the recoil, no normally constituted hunter would be worried by it in the slightest. I found it a most accurate cartridge and killed several elephant, rhino and buffalo with it, but cannot find any record of the numbers shot; all I can remember is, that no beast got away from me when I was using any one of these three 500's, I killed all I shot. It's an immensely powerful weapon.

My friend, C. Fletcher Jamieson, the Rhodesian professional, had Jeffery build him up one of these rifles to special order with a 26" barrel. He was a tall man of fine physique and owing to the way he held his rifles he reckoned he got better handling with a fairly long barrel. Since he had that weapon built, some ten or twelve years ago, he used it exclusively, and did a great deal of shooting with it. I'm not quite sure of the extent of his bag, but it cannot be far short of 300 elephant with this 500-bore Jeffery-Mauser, maybe more."

A 10lb rifle with full power loads has about 140 ft-lbs of recoil - "pleasantly surprised by the lightness of the recoil" my foot!

Are any of you planning on getting one?
 
Sako is now making the Brown Bear in .500 Jeffery. So now of course I am curious - not that I am going to get one, I'm just curious. I was doing some reading and according John Taylor:



A 10lb rifle with full power loads has about 140 ft-lbs of recoil - "pleasantly surprised by the lightness of the recoil" my foot!

Are any of you planning on getting one?

Man, I hope I never get that desensitized. Someone get that man a proper buttstock so he knows that shooting the gun is supposed to send the bullet out the barrel and not you out of the buttstock.

I'm the wrong people for that kind of gun.
 
I think the deal breaker for me would be the actual price.
As for the recoil factor no doubt it will bite with full power loads, but like most other big bores it could possibly be down loaded with cast boolits to a practical or should I say enjoyable level.
I realize there are those that would say why buy it in that case, but why not ?
My 458 shoots more cast than jacketed, has done for decades and nowadays a person can build a powerful cast hunting load if necessary.
 
Almost 8 years ago I made the mistake of taking up a kind older gentleman's offer to try out his Ruger No.1 .416 Rigby. He'd had the stock altered to fit him and needless to say we did not have similar dimensions. I'm glad he had a small red dot mounted and not a conventional scope, if it hadn't I'd probably still flinch shooting my .22 centerfires. Being dumb and not quite 17 I eagerly accepted, and he kept handing me another shell each time I tried to walk away. I fired 5 and I can't imagine enjoying shooting something with roughly 3 times as much recoil.
 
Someday I hope to get there, for now it is beyond me. People would have an easier time handling big recoil if they could break their small caliber habits and remember what the gun is for. For starters, what a load will do from the bench means next to nothing, and feeling like you have to shoot a couple boxes at every session isn't going to help you. What you can do at 10 yards reflexively is vastly more important than the mechanical precision at any distance. With the luxury of time and distance, you can kill anything with anything. The biggest rifles are for surviving when things have gotten so bad and close that horsepower is the only card you have left to play. There's a reason why they are called stoppers and not brainers or killers.
 
I don't know if "normally constituted" refers to your physical "make-up" or your mental "make-up". One could weigh 160 lbs, and be tough as nails, and another could weigh 350 lbs, and be a wimp. Let's just say that I wouldn't shoot it.......guess which one I am;)
 
In the context of anything that I will ever conceivably do, a .500J would serve no purpose... Everytime I squeeze the trigger on my .45/120 I think "the /70 would have been fine."
 
In order to handle a big bore effectively, you have to want to; If you consider a .375 a big gun, you're beat before you start. Going on memory, the .500 NE load I used in Tanzania, lit up 89 grs of 3031 pushing a 580 gr X Bullet at 2150; it seems to me that the Jeffry drives a 525 at 2400. The recoil of these things isn't the problem, the stock design, and the quality of the recoil pad is. The rifle I used had a 100 year old rubber pad that was only slightly softer than the walnut stock, so the recoil hurt just a bit. Despite that, I did a fair bit of shooting with it, learned not to harp the double triggers, and for the most part I enjoyed it, although I came to the conclusion that double rifles weren't my cup of tea. After firing, I found the rifle difficult to break open, it had extractors rather than ejectors, which doesn't speed things up, and the rear sight was too deep and too narrow for fast use. I'd have loved to own it though just because the workmanship and design is so cool. A modern bolt gun tends to recoil straight back, whereas a rifle with lots of drop will raise the muzzle dramatically in recoil, which to me at least, seems to increase the recoil sensation. On the other hand, a good quality pad that would actually compress under recoil without bottoming out would make up for many ills on a heavy kicker.
 
I'm getting cheap in my old age, cause feeding it is what is keeping me from enjoying that felt recoil! My 375 H&H will do anything that 500 will...:nest:
 
That gun in the video looked like it had a pretty big barrel, or maybe just because of the bullet diameter. I'd shoot one in a heart beat. My 375 kicks hard on the bench but off the bench its fine. I probably wouldn't trust that big 500 with a scope on it though......
 
I don't know if "normally constituted" refers to your physical "make-up" or your mental "make-up". One could weigh 160 lbs, and be tough as nails, and another could weigh 350 lbs, and be a wimp. Let's just say that I wouldn't shoot it.......guess which one I am;)


I think when Taylor said "normally constituted hunter " he was speaking from the context of a normally constituted professional ivory hunter. That's like saying that odd solid punch in the head shouldn't be any problem to a normally constituted professional boxer. The glass jaw and shoulder types had already been culled out or they wouldn't have made it that far.
 
Although no desire to have a Jeffries I would someday probably have a double 577 NE. I have shot a 577 and an 8 and 4 bore, and have no desire to shoot the big bore BP cartridge guns again, but the 577 was manageable. As Boomer said the big doubles are well designed and so perfectly balanced that although they do muzzle lift, the actual felt recoil is not that bad. With the 577 I could keep 2 on clay pigeons at 25 yds.
Assuming factory ballistics with the Jeffries, my 450 Ackley would have had more recoil with 500 grnrs @ 2550 fps. It was a particularly obnoxious rifle to shoot but it shot all into the same hole when I was having a good day, just couldn't keep it in stocks..........
I have also shot the 378 and 460 Wbys and they are quite unpleasant to shoot when using full house loads, both were customs and neither had a brake. Of the two, I actually thought the 378 was the worst. Both guns were very well made and had extra large butts with good recoil pads and nice straight stocks, neither was unmanageable, just unpleasant, but in a tight situation I doubt a guy would even notice the recoil..........I personally never hear nor feel my rifle go off when hunting and firing at game.
 
In the context of anything that I will ever conceivably do, a .500J would serve no purpose... Everytime I squeeze the trigger on my .45/120 I think "the /70 would have been fine."

Ya Hoyt but the 120 is so cool and not a commoner like the 70........besides you can always load the 120 to 70 ballistics but not the other way round. I have the 110 and I love it even loaded to the 70s numbers.......it's just such a long ###y slim case........I wanted the 120 but couldn't find one so I settled for the 110, was going to rechamber but decided there was no point in Bubba-ing a $4K beautiful Sharps rifle.
 
Given your experience and the crop of rifles you regularly work out with, I'm surprised that you would complain about the recoil of a lil .378. I found that my .375 Ultra was far more manageable than my .416 Rigby when hot loaded, and the Rigby I shot prone, although I lost concentration if I tried to hold for more than 3. I would think that the .378 might spit the difference between the .375 Ultra and the .416. As far as that goes, touching off your .470 lets you know something just happened.
 
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