I want a black bear!

Rudi

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Perhaps the "want" a little bit stong, but at least I would like to take one. Now here are my problems. I would like to ask your opinion about how big problems they are:

I've never hunted. (Perhaps this is not a big problem, everybody started like this.) I'm planning to take the hunter education course, so after that at least I can tell the blackbear from the other animals.

I don't have a big gun. I will not ask you what to use for bear hunting, because it would result a never-ending thread. It seems anything is good from .22lr to 12GA slugs, so I think I would use something in the middle, like a 270 or 300 or 7mm WSM from a semi-auto or a lever-action Browning. It should work, right?

I live in Toronto, and can't really go for longer than 2 days. Now this can be a problem. Can I find some decent bears close to GTA??

I have only a Chrysler Neon. That's not really an off-road car. So how hard to find a bear close to roads? Is it possible at all?? If you shoot one, how do you bring it to your car? In pieces? Drag it?

Be nice to the newbie and tell me if I should give up right now without calling me stupid. :)
 
hell they have been seen in Newmarket last year and a few weeks ago they were in Orangeville how much closer do you need
 
best to shoot a city bear, there a nucince anyway. instal a gun rack in your neon and strap the bear to the trunk lid. don't need blood in the trunk as it smells a little funky when its dries into the carpet.
 
First of all... Everyone starts somewhere... Hell, IF your careful, you could skin, quater and pack a black bear into your neon!!! It just takes desire and some ingenuity, not everyone that hunts has a full size truck... And, any gun with 1000 ft-lbs of energy at the target WILL kill...

Cheers
Jay
 
for bears i would recomend any .30 calibre rifle should do the the job just be familer with it and know where it hits and where the bears vitals are alot of the places at least around here where the bears are you can usualy either get really close to or right into where you want to be finding bears IN toronto that you can legaly shoot might be a bit tricky so you should think about heading out of town do some scouting in an area that you think might have bears *the ministry has a wonderfull map that shows bear dispersment in ontario on there site somewhere*. it might be a good idea to join a fish and game club in your area or talk to a few bear hunters that are local to you and find out which direction on the map you need to head to start finding bears but from toronto i would be looking at heading in a north and westerly direction probebly for about 200km give or take. now giving that you have never hunted before you would do best with either going out for bear with a buddy that has at least a couple season under his/her belt or spend this season concentrating on learning about bears a bit. bears can be a very challenging animal to hunt both physicly and mentally and if you are un familer with your terrain and the animal which you are hunting it could prove very awkward and put you off of hunting. as for getting your bear to and then into your neon i normal tie a 2 inch tow strap around and under the bears front legs and muscle it out but this year i will be quartering it up on site and takeing it out piece by piece LOL you might do best to quarter it up if not at the kill site at least at the car for getting it into your car if your putting it into the trunk get a big tarp stretch it out and put it into the trunk sorta like you where sticking a plastic bag in your shoe then put the bear in and fold the tarp over the bear then close the trunk *if it will close you may need to tie it down LOL*
if you are concerned with either space in your car or your car getting into and out of where you need to go you can rent a decent p/u 4x4 for about $50 a day plus ins. and fuel from most rental places, that might be a good thing to look into. and above all remember your safety is paramount dont do anything that you feel could risk your safety. and whatever you do dont give up on bear hunting if you dont make it out this year or dont get your tag filled no worrys at least you have learned something in the process.
also if the finances warrent it you can look at an outfitter for your first bear there are alot of really good ones and most garruntee at least 80% success rate or better. dont know what else i can offer for advice but hope this helps

Edit to add: if you where closer i would gladly offer to take you out with me on a scout and take you out this season but well toronto is a bit aways to go for a days hunting LOL
 
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Rudi ..... Maybe the first thing you want to do is ask yourself why you would want to kill a black bear? Do you intend to eat him yourself? Are you going to make a jacket out of his hide? What has this bear ever done to you?

My suggestion (no insult intended ikon) is to ask Mom to take you to Disneyland - they have bears that don't even bite. :p
 
stewarch said:
Rudi ..... Maybe the first thing you want to do is ask yourself why you would want to kill a black bear? Do you intend to eat him yourself? Are you going to make a jacket out of his hide? What has this bear ever done to you?

My suggestion (no insult intended ikon) is to ask Mom to take you to Disneyland - they have bears that don't even bite. :p
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What a stupid comment, and in the hunting forum no less...

Take the hunter education course first. This is a legal requirement, and will likely answer many of your questions.

Get your hunting license.

Ask around for info, let people know you are new, you might find someone to take you hunting.

Be careful what you read on here, everyone is an expert, even when they're not.
 
Be careful what you read on here, everyone is an expert, even when they're not.
A truer statement has never been said! Ensure you have a #### filter on when you read some of the suggestions people will give you here....
ryanb and SignGuy are pointing you in the right direction though....

another idea once you get going is to buy a military body bag if you can find one. I kid you not, when living in Winnipeg, MB in the early '90's, I used a body bag to transport deer in the back of my Pontiac Firefly.....it keeps the upholstery clean....even if you do get a few weird looks.....
 
You definately want to have some serious MACK power, so that when you tap your bear he goes down right there or very shortly after, for an example, shot placement wise you need to be careful. I shot a bear this year with 180gr 300 win mag and he went down hard, didn't move for about 10 seconds when he came to and took off. See the 300 win mag is a decent cal. but the shot placement was off, make sure that when you do shoot your bear, cuz you will, you reload and aim again and if he's not down... blast again without hesitation.:D
 
stewarch said:
Rudi ..... Maybe the first thing you want to do is ask yourself why you would want to kill a black bear? Do you intend to eat him yourself? Are you going to make a jacket out of his hide? What has this bear ever done to you?

My suggestion (no insult intended ikon) is to ask Mom to take you to Disneyland - they have bears that don't even bite. :p
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Maybe you should go to disneyland and not come back
 
stewarch said:
Rudi ..... Maybe the first thing you want to do is ask yourself why you would want to kill a black bear? Do you intend to eat him yourself? Are you going to make a jacket out of his hide? What has this bear ever done to you?

My suggestion (no insult intended ikon) is to ask Mom to take you to Disneyland - they have bears that don't even bite. :p
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its people like you that maintain the rapid decline of the interest in hunting by our society
in future if you have nothing to post that is polite and respectfull towards someone asking a legitimate question in regards to anything especialy if it is someone trying to get some honest and usefull info to help him get into hunting or shooting could you please just STFU none of us want to hear your asshead comments and rudi dotn pay any attention to retards that cant be decent
 
SignGuy said:
its people like you that maintain the rapid decline of the interest in hunting by our society
in future if you have nothing to post that is polite and respectfull towards someone asking a legitimate question in regards to anything especialy if it is someone trying to get some honest and usefull info to help him get into hunting or shooting could you please just STFU none of us want to hear your asshead comments and rudi dotn pay any attention to retards that cant be decent
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Well put!!!!:D
 
"why you would want to kill a black bear? Do you intend to eat him yourself?"

We are NOT animals. We kill not just when we are hungry. :)

I want to kill bears because I am sitting in front of a sh*t computer 17 hours a day among idiots. Then I want to take home the trophy to brag with it and eat the meat to feel that I am not just slave completely who depends on my owners and Loblaws for food.
And a healthy man likes guns. Hunting a legitim reason to have one more. :)
And hunting must be different from a sh*tty other day. I spend 220 days in my cubicle. I want to find a few days a year which are different.
Perhaps there are other reasons I don't know until I go to my firs hunt.

So now I start looking for a hunter education course. Then I will happily spend another few hours overtime with work to make money for a Browning BAR rifle and for some jewelry for my wife to shut her mouth up. :)

If it turns out that I don't like hunting (because I'm already a namby-pamby, because I don't find a bear, or I find one and I don't like the messy skinning or any other not foreseeable reason) then I can say at least that I've tried it.

Thanks for the encouragement!
 
Well rubi i truly hope that you find hunting as enjoyable as the rest of us do.
now keep in mind you dont need to buy an expesive rifle to start out with in fact its best that you buy a used more economical rifle in case you dont like hunting.
if you dont already have a contact for your hunter safety cours ei will try and find the link i had a few months back and post it , has all the instructers by area code.
remember if your first hunt isnt as succesfull as you would like dont give up right away
 
Here's where I would start...


First off, congratulations on an interest in hunting!! Far too few young men any more have the cajones. Most of 'em would rather be packing a cell phone through the local mall, so good on ya'.


Second, if you haven't taken a Hunter Safety/Certification Course then you're going to have to do that. In Alberta everybody has to do it to get a WIN Card, that we have to use to buy licenses. Ontario has something simliar but I don't know what it's called. You'll also have to be legal to get a firearm although if you wanted to get into bow hunting I don't think you need to worry about firearms training.
Btw if you're going to take a firearms course, do yourself a favor and take the Restricted Course right away.


Third, once you've got that legal requirement stuff out of the way I'd recommend anything from a 60# compound bow that you are proficient with, up to a .30-06. Whatever you get does not need to be fancy or expensive. A used .30-30 or .303 will do nicely and are cheap as hell!!


I bet that a phone call to the Ontario Ministry of Natural Resources will get you a helluva head start on where to look for bears.
And then just get out there! Put your foot to the ground! Walk the bush, it's by far the best experience and teacher there is.


Oh yeah, I'd be trying to get something other then a Chrysler Neon.
 
Hey, I'm already over the restricted course. :) I'm really good at wasting lead and tearing paper into pieces with my 1911 Springfield beauty! :) That's how I ended up here on this website. :)

It's a pain to fork out a bunch of money and justify it for the wife.
If I buy a cheap used gun for 500, and don't like the sport, I can sell it for 400, so the trial cost me 100. If I like the sport, I'll want to but a nice new gun.
If I buy the nice new one for 1000 at the beginning, and don't like hunting, I can sell it for 900, so the trial would cost me the same 100. If I like hunting, I don't have any more problem.

Borowing a rifle from a friend for the trial period would be easiest and cheapest solution. Perhaps I'll try that.
 
Your Neon will do for now if that's what you got......it will get you to some good bear hunting areas.....when you shoot your bear, just take his hide off and wrap it in cheesecloth and put it in a real good garbage bag but don't tie it shut. Let it breath so to speak.

put your meat, if you want it, into cheesecloth game bags and into another good garbage bag. No leaks.

Your rifles will do just fine. Take the courses you need and do a little reading. Just like anything, it's worth studying a bit.

Keep talking on this site to guys in your area and others. Most are well informed and you will be able to sort out the BS from the good stuff by using a little sense. Guys here will take a poke at ya once in a while but most of it is just in fun. I get hacked on once in a while and I have spent years, not days, in the bush. No one knows it all.

Good for you. Hunting is a great thing to do. Pursue it and you will get better and smarter every day. Nothing comes easy. The journey is almost as good as the event.

As for the Toronto area, I can't help you, but someone here will. You might have to do a long drive but that's the way it is. We all had a "first day" in the bush. Stay on this site and ask your questions. They will get answered properly eventually.

I hauled a bull moose, head and all, from Fairview Alberta to Edmonton in my new Ford Probe once.....it can be done. I shot him on my way back home from a funeral, in my suit. And yes, I always travel with a rifle.
 
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