Identify this old firearm

[Nechako Outdoors]

seems to be a 30cal or 8mm. Any help would be much appreciated

thanks!

 

[H Wally]

Looks like some kind of rook rifle - maybe in .300 Rook?

 

[tacfoley]

I'd be guessing, but it looks like a Flobert saloon gun to me. It shoots a special CB cap cartridge, and was meant to be shot indorrs [really].

This pastime was a popular post-prandial leisure occupation in Europe in the mid to late 19th century - Flobert, the inventor of the system, patented a wide range of very-low powered cartridges from 4.5 to 9mm specially for this purpose.

DO not try anything else other than the correct, low-powered BP Flobert cartridges in this old gun.

tac

 

[H Wally]

Good point on the Flobert - they did make those tip up hinge actions, though usually at the back of the action.

Pieper was another who worked with Flobert, or separately. Also unnamed Liege guns carry the same characteristics, especially the trigger guard.

I should note that Cogswell and Harrison made a very similar looking gun ( http://www.icollector.com/Cogswell-...h-factory-letter-and-documentation-f_i8650101 ) but the actions aren't totally the same... and they've misidentified the auctioned one as a certus I think, but might help.

 

[tacfoley]

Looks like some kind of rook rifle - maybe in .300 Rook?

Nossir. I live right in the middle of a collection of rook rifles, and that ain't one for sure. A rook rifle is STILL a high-pressure, usually centre-fire cartridge-firing rifle in all respects, and built like one by some very reputable gun-makers. One I played with this very morning was made by Holland & Holland on a miniature rotating lever action, and was priced, at £1500.00, accordingly.

Trust me on this one.

tac

 

[Waba]

Rifled or smoothbore ?
Rimfire ?
Markings anywhere ?

The stamped trapdoor action is reminiscent of the Deutsche Werke guns but with differences. What is the arm in front of the receiver ?

 

[tokguy]

Every farmer and rancher down on the Frenchman in SE Sask had a Deutsche Werke ( or German 22 ) that worked suspisiously similiar to this rifle.
Definitely different but some similarities.
Dangerous little beasts too, not the most safety oriented models.
The DE's had a stylized Lion or Dragon on the hinged reciever, the Tail swooping back and forming the curve on the capital 'D'

 

[mooncoon]

Unless I am mistaken, it is a warnant style flobert action. Also from the shape of the trigger guard, my first guess would be belgian although proof marks would confirm that,

cheers mooncoon

 

[wr.sainsbury]

I would concur with mooncoon. These actions were not very robust and I believe if in .22 cal even a modern .22 short would be stressing it overmuch. Interesting as a wall hanger.