IDPA Targets for sale.

[GFORCE]

I am pleased to annouce the Alberta Tactical Handgun League has been granted an IDPA target franchise. Targets are available in bundles of 50 at a cost of $50 (no GST). Targets are available for pick-up in Calgary or Edmonton or shipped at the buyers cost. Contact me for more info or for shipping quotes.

Thanks,
Lindsay Greene
Alberta Tactical Handgun League

 

[albertacoyotecaller]

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Good news!

Greg

 

[D_]

Good to see you guys starting a good path.

 

[Onagoth]

It's good to see, but I would hope the prices come down as you recoup the cost of the dies, press, etc.

Not too long ago I purchased 500 targets for our club, cost was $265. We got lucky and didn't get nicked with taxes at the border, but even if we did, we would still be far less than $1 per target.

Dave from Target barn does send bulk orders to Alberta I believe. He is probably also at various matches in Montana and Washington.

 

[TIM_COX]

Target barn has a market of 100's of thousands of units.... he gets his price down because he can purchase a hundred thousand targets at once... canadian suppliers probably buy or have made lots of 10,000 at a time.... $1 a target is a fair price, buy canadian and support your locals.

especially since clickone is in Ontario... now ATHL and Chilliwack as well.

3 target suppliers in canada vs only 6 for the whole USA...

 

[Onagoth]

Target barn has a market of 100's of thousands of units.... he gets his price down because he can purchase a hundred thousand targets at once... canadian suppliers probably buy or have made lots of 10,000 at a time.... $1 a target is a fair price, buy canadian and support your locals.

especially since clickone is in Ontario... now ATHL and Chilliwack as well.

3 target suppliers in canada vs only 6 for the whole USA...

I always try to buy local when I can....but when the targets are being paid for by my gun club, I always go for the deals.

 

[TIM_COX]

I always try to buy local when I can....but when the targets are being paid for by my gun club, I always go for the deals.

when you buying for the club though you are shopping for candian gun owners.... Our club for example mandates that everything we buy should be canadian and benefit the shooting sports as much as we can.... buying from ATHL, clickone or chilliwack does exactly that.

the cost difference is negligable.... remember your not only supporting a canadian manufacturer but since IDPA targets are made by IDPA club members your also supporting the sport in canada, for example I know that targets are often donated for "provincial" or "sanctioned" matches in return for advertising.... so these manufactuers are also supporting the IDPA clubs thru donations.

don't get me wrong, I buy target pasters from target barn because there is not a canadian source available.... and they do have good prices.

BUT for club buisness I will shop canadian before I outsource to the USA.... frankly you owe it to your shooters and your club to support canadian manufacturers.... and the fact that "taxes" where not levied at the border "possible "free trade" does not mean that the club is not on the hook for them....

anyway, that is my opinion as a Member of the Board of Directors for our club.... we source all we can locally from people that support the club, only then do we go outside that.... same deal with buying canadian.

 

[Onagoth]

when you buying for the club though you are shopping for candian gun owners.... Our club for example mandates that everything we buy should be canadian and benefit the shooting sports as much as we can.... buying from ATHL, clickone or chilliwack does exactly that.

the cost difference is negligable.... remember your not only supporting a canadian manufacturer but since IDPA targets are made by IDPA club members your also supporting the sport in canada, for example I know that targets are often donated for "provincial" or "sanctioned" matches in return for advertising.... so these manufactuers are also supporting the IDPA clubs thru donations.

don't get me wrong, I buy target pasters from target barn because there is not a canadian source available.... and they do have good prices.

BUT for club buisness I will shop canadian before I outsource to the USA.... frankly you owe it to your shooters and your club to support canadian manufacturers.... and the fact that "taxes" where not levied at the border "possible "free trade" does not mean that the club is not on the hook for them....

anyway, that is my opinion as a Member of the Board of Directors for our club.... we source all we can locally from people that support the club, only then do we go outside that.... same deal with buying canadian.

Well, I don't exactly call $225 in savings on 500 targets negligable. And the club won't be on the hook for the taxes since they didn't actually import the targets, I did.

I'm also not following how you think I owe it to shooters to buy Canadian. The only thing I owe to the shooters is a positive, affordable & fun IDPA match. This is what they get in return for the match fee.

Outside of that, I also make it my responsibility to keep IDPA as economically viable (to our club) as possible.

I don't think its fair to imply that just because we acquire our targets from the US, that we are not supporting IDPA in Canada.

Thats just my opinion.

 

[667]

I'm with Onogoth on this one...

But hey... Everyone else, It's your money. Do with it as ye please.
Personally I try to keep as much of my $$ in my pocket.

It's unfortunate some Canadian business can't compete... Especially in the shootin' biz, but hey... Tough titty. That's life.

 

[TIM_COX]

Outside of that, I also make it my responsibility to keep IDPA as economically viable (to our club) as possible.

I don't think its fair to imply that just because we acquire our targets from the US, that we are not supporting IDPA in Canada.

Thats just my opinion.

I see alot of "I" did this, and "I" did that... did you ask your board of directors how they want thier money spent ? did you ask the membership how they want thier money spent ? most gun clubs are "non-profit" and have to follow the society act and all spending has to be approved at general meetings... did you put it before them that there was a canadian option ?

I just find it distasteful that EESA does not support canadian buisness's.... and that they would post in here that they got such and such cheaper. bad form and in bad taste.

other then that this is my last post on the subject... you run your club any way you see fit, I am sure canadian buisness's will support you when you have a match and inquire around about prizes and such **sarcasm**

 

[TIM_COX]

I'm with Onogoth on this one...

But hey... Everyone else, It's your money. Do with it as ye please.
Personally I try to keep as much of my $$ in my pocket.

It's unfortunate some Canadian business can't compete... Especially in the shootin' biz, but hey... Tough titty. That's life.

its not your money, it is the clubs money... they should have the choice, but obviously EESA does not support canadian buisness. I see also that he is sourcing his timers from the USA as well.

 

[Slavex]

Well I know my club does not have a "buy canadian" policy and I'd vote against one if it was ever brought up. That said we do spend most of our money in Canada, but if prices are that out of whack on things I'd buy from the US too.

 

[Onagoth]

I see alot of "I" did this, and "I" did that... did you ask your board of directors how they want thier money spent ? did you ask the membership how they want thier money spent ? most gun clubs are "non-profit" and have to follow the society act and all spending has to be approved at general meetings... did you put it before them that there was a canadian option ?

I just find it distasteful that EESA does not support canadian buisness's.... and that they would post in here that they got such and such cheaper. bad form and in bad taste.

other then that this is my last post on the subject... you run your club any way you see fit, I am sure canadian buisness's will support you when you have a match and inquire around about prizes and such **sarcasm**

Those are quite the conclusions you're drawing about our club considering I've only spoke specifically about buying IDPA targets.

Really, it might do you good to find out about our club before making such generalizations. If you knew even a shred about what our club does in the community, you might be inclined to post a retraction

 

[Onagoth]

its not your money, it is the clubs money... they should have the choice, but obviously EESA does not support canadian buisness. I see also that he is sourcing his timers from the USA as well.

I don't see how me buying a timer for myself is relevant to this thread?

Really, maybe you should also dig up one of my old threads where I asked about buying a rail from the states? That might add even more 'support' to what your saying.

 

[beltfed]

It's good to see, but I would hope the prices come down as you recoup the cost of the dies, press, etc.

Not too long ago I purchased 500 targets for our club, cost was $265. We got lucky and didn't get nicked with taxes at the border, but even if we did, we would still be far less than $1 per target.

Dave from Target barn does send bulk orders to Alberta I believe. He is probably also at various matches in Montana and Washington.

To address your concerns above directly, and without getting embroiled in the 'buy Canadian' discussion:

500 targets at 53 cents per target are very cheap for licensed IDPA cardboard targets. Very well below the manufacturing costs even.
Anyone wishing to order from Target Barn will certainly be looking at low initial costs per unit, but will undoubtedly pay dearly in shipping.
If it is anything like what I recently calculated for landed targets to Calgary, it will be over $1.20 per target.
Likewise if they head south to pick them up there are items such as time, money, fuel; it all adds up.

The manner of your post suggests we are attempting to make a considerable markup on the sale of these targets - a notion that I can assure you is very far from the truth.
The cold reality is that manufacturing in Canada is more expensive, the material is more expensive, and our time, while we all volunteer for the clubs we belong to, isn't exactly 'free' by any stretch of the imagination.

The ATHL labored over getting into licensing and the sale of these targets.
I think it is safe to say we would all rather spend our free time shooting, than taking and processing orders for targets, shipping targets, ordering and picking up targets, etc.
We are not doing it for profit; we are doing it to ensure there is a supply of these items around to participate in our sport. Ultimately, we see this as doing it to support IDPA in Canada as a whole and in western Canada specifically. Our current prices reflect the actual cost of these items in Canada and a modest mark-up that will be funneled right back into this sport. We remain mindful of the burden target cost has on any club and will continually review the prices, but for now I’m afraid ‘it is what it is’.

Sincerely,

Mike Johnson
President, ATHL

 

[TIM_COX]

Good reply Mike

 

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its not your money, it is the clubs money... they should have the choice, but obviously EESA does not support canadian buisness. I see also that he is sourcing his timers from the USA as well.

The EESA not only supports Canadian businesses, but also the local,little-guy businesses as well. We get price quotes for any projects, and then if the difference is close, we would prefer using local. Everything including construction, trades work, product suppliers, road work, we attempt to keep using local, or even the companies that EESA members own to do what is needed.

IDPA is just starting out at the EESA, and Onagoth is attempting to get the discipline running as cost effective as possible. Not every member of the EESA shoots IDPA, so when He approached the Board of Directors, and the General members he had to tread lightly with his costs.
This is not to say that when IDPA is up and running on a regular schedule at EESA, that we would not consider buying Canadian, providing that Onagoth and his volunteers can show that IDPA can at least cover their costs during an event.
FWIW, The EESA buys and supports Canadian. We also donate Thousands of dollars to such causes as Breast Cancer, CF, NWTF, JR. Rifle Program, Conservation, and host numerous every year like the annual Fishing Derby for kids, Military Shoot, Open House, Women in the Outdoors weekend....I could on and on, but I think my point is made.
Tim, you are more than welcome to come out to the EESA on an event and see for yourself.

 

[Onagoth]

Well, its not my intention to slag the ATHL for their efforts to produce IDPA targets. I'm not questioning your pricing either, I believe if you factored in all costs, you'd probably be producing these on a net loss basis.

What I was trying to point out, is that some clubs running IDPA may not be able to (or willing to) buy targets at $1 per. I agree that the landed cost to any place in Canada is comparable. However, as I said, Montana is a just a road trip from Alberta, and I'm pretty sure target barn is at Montana matches at some point in time throughout the year. Time is always a negligable cost in a gun club, our club, like ATHL probably relies heavily on unpaid volunteers. Gas and possibly taxes at the border are the only other costs. As I've said previously, factoring those in puts the targets in the $0.68-$0.72 range, possibly a little higher depending on what your driving. Unfortunately, the economies of scale are far greater in the US than in Canada.

If clubs aren't pursuing IDPA because the domestic cost of targets is too high, they should be aware of this alternative. If the clubs opt to buy local, all the power to them, and I hope ATHL has lots of success in the future.

As a side note, it should be noted that 500 IDPA targets do fit in a toyota corolla, and people shouldn't think they need to rent a truck to get them

 

[TIM_COX]

However, as I said, Montana is a just a road trip from Alberta, and I'm pretty sure target barn is at Montana matches at some point in time throughout the year.

Great, now he is suggesting that ATHL drive down to montana and buy their targets rather then manufacture them.. great idea, lets just give up trying to produce stuff in canada and let the americans do it for us. Just wait for the state dept. to ban the export of "humanoid" targets under ITAR.

hey when you guys are down in Montana can you pick me up some of those cheap targets too...

 

[Onagoth]

Great, now he is suggesting that ATHL drive down to montana and buy their targets rather then manufacture them.. great idea, lets just give up trying to produce stuff in canada and let the americans do it for us. Just wait for the state dept. to ban the export of "humanoid" targets under ITAR.

hey when you guys are down in Montana can you pick me up some of those cheap targets too...

You're pretty good at putting words in other peoples mouths. I'm not suggesting ATHL do anything. But some smaller clubs may be interested in crossing the border to save some money.

But keep ranting if you want, going off on tagents about ITAR regs, I'm sure you'll get someone's attention sooner or later. For me, I'm done with you, since you don't seem to be able to comprehend what I'm saying.