If handguns stolen do you lose your 12(6) status?

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Hypothetical question.

I have 2 12(6) handguns.

If they were stolen from my legal storage area, would I lose my 12(6) status as I am no longer in legal possesion of a 12(6) firearm or would I be allowed to replace the stolen 12(6) handguns from the used market?
 
They would still be registered to you, wouldnt they ? How soon do they de-register stolen guns ? Best to just buy another 12(6) gun before they de-register the guns, wouldn't it ? Do I have too many questions ? :roll: :lol:
 
You wouldnt lose your status, as you are still the legal owner of the pistols. If however, you decide to sell or trade them, you have then waived your 12(6) status.
If they are stolen, it is through no fault of your own, so they cannot revoke your status if you are the victim of a crime.
 
no you would not lose your 12-6 status. I know this for fact as I had it happen to me. A gun that later becaem 12-6 was stolen from me back in the early 90's. When I got my PAL years later I asked the local AFO if I could have my 12-6 status as the previously stolen firearm was still registered to me and if recovered would be mine again. he agreed and a few weeks later got a new PAL card.
 
From the events that I've witnessed:

You keep your 12.6 status because the guns are still registered to you. If you go through insurance they become the owners of the guns.

However; you WILL be charged with unsafe storage. They WILL take your license & ALL surviving firearms, and it will depend on how much you PAY a lawyer as to whether you keep ANY firearms.

This is because the police have been given information booklets (yes, I've examined a few) from the CFC instructing them on how to procede in any case involving firearms.

1999ish a friend of mine had his safe containing all his hand-guns taken. He was charged with un-safe storage. His remaining firearms were seized (including the ones he had payed for that were at various gun-shops).

A few months earlier (unrelated) he had had his storage system (strong room & homak type safes ect.)^inspected &^ approved by the local RCMP.

When they didn't make any progress in the investigation & he started making waves (calling other police services on his own); They arrested him at work & held him over night without letting him make his "phone call" till morning.

In retrospect; calling the investigating officer a moron probably didn't help -when the investigating officer accused him of stealing his own handguns so that they wouldn't have to be registered (in the new registry) :roll:
 
I know for a fact you do not lose the status, my friend at work had 2 of his stolen in the ewarly 1990's. Could not buy a 12-6 item, but when they were recovered he was given the 12-6 staus back (they were recovered this past Spring).
 
no they will not always charge you or arrest you or take your other guns. None of that happened to me.
 
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joe n said:
I know for a fact you do not lose the status, my friend at work had 2 of his stolen in the ewarly 1990's. Could not buy a 12-6 item, but when they were recovered he was given the 12-6 staus back (they were recovered this past Spring).
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Just to be clear, you mean he couldn't buy another prohibited gun until they recovered his stolen ones? And also, your friend had only two prohibited firearms registered to his name?
 
Lee Enfield said:
From the events that I've witnessed:

You keep your 12.6 status because the guns are still registered to you. If you go through insurance they become the owners of the guns.

However; you WILL be charged with unsafe storage. They WILL take your license & ALL surviving firearms, and it will depend on how much you PAY a lawyer as to whether you keep ANY firearms.

) :roll:
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Sorry LE, but I have to disagree with your above statements. If the individual complied with current safe storage requirements as per the Firearms Act, he/she would not be charged with unsafe storage, as the Crown would know that such a case had zero chance of being won. I suspect your friend had other issues involved in his situation. Being the victim of a robbery will not cause the police to seize any remaining firearms you own, as long as they are properly stored. Such a seizure would be illegal as there is no justification for it. Should it happen, you should immediately launch civil litigation against the seizing officer, his force and the Crown.
 
I disagree with LE also.
If you follow all the rules and regulations, then you have not contravened any law, so there is no grounds for an arrest, yet alone a charge. For someone to be arrested and charged with an offense, something else must happen other than being a victim of theft... you must have left something out of the story.
 
if you live in Ontario you WILL be charged as the general police atittude is the firearms would not have been stolen if you did not own them in the firstplace

right or wrong a judge can decide
 
contact148 said:
if you live in Ontario you WILL be charged as the general police atittude is the firearms would not have been stolen if you did not own them in the firstplace

right or wrong a judge can decide
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I know two people in Ontario who have had firearms stolen in the last 18 months. The guns were stored legally and they were not charged.
 
I really doubt that you would be charged for unsafe storage in there are significant marks of breaking through your storage 'facility'.

I'd really like to see how they could get someone convicted if there's a hole cut into the safe with the blowtorch sitting aside.
 
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Hi. I know he did not have the 12-6 endorsement on his PAL prior to having his guns returned to him. Once they were returned, he was given the prohib status back. I just asked him.
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joe n said:
I know for a fact you do not lose the status, my friend at work had 2 of his stolen in the ewarly 1990's. Could not buy a 12-6 item, but when they were recovered he was given the 12-6 staus back (they were recovered this past Spring).
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Just to be clear, you mean he couldn't buy another prohibited gun until they recovered his stolen ones? And also, your friend had only two prohibited firearms registered to his name?
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Back on track.....anyone want to sell there 12.6 status to me! You lucky bastards. I'm still wondering what rock I was hiding under when the whole thing went thru.
 
To quote Slavex:
"no you would not lose your 12-6 status. I know this for fact as I had it happen to me. A gun that later becaem 12-6 was stolen from me back in the early 90's. When I got my PAL years later I asked the local AFO if I could have my 12-6 status as the previously stolen firearm was still registered to me and if recovered would be mine again. he agreed and a few weeks later got a new PAL card."

I had a Nork AK stolen in the early '90s, which is now a, what, 12-5 prohib? Does this mean that I have a valid legal argument to have 12-5 status????
 
hoochie said:
I disagree with LE also.
If you follow all the rules and regulations, then you have not contravened any law, so there is no grounds for an arrest, yet alone a charge. For someone to be arrested and charged with an offense, something else must happen other than being a victim of theft... you must have left something out of the story.
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He was charged with un-safe storage immediately after reporting the theft. The charges were eventually dropped.

A month later? he was arrested, and held with-out charges overnight. They seized the remaining (long) guns as described. This was after he started making calls to other local police agencies.

After about a year, he got his guns back on the condition that he sold all but one from each class.

He was told (by his lawyer) that the fact he had "so many" guns "frightened the police".

His FAC was "lost" & never returned.

When I was in elementry school they kept telling us " the police are your friends".
My best friend at the time was from Chile. I now understand why uniforms terrified him.
 
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