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Been trying to hit close to my point of aim with my Snider Enfield for a few weeks. But this project goes way back. (I salvaged this Snider which at some point was turned into a lamp, with base welded to the butt plate, lamp shade at the muzzle... then, the fun adventure to find brass, dies, projectiles...) (CGN member Beater: thanks, you know how you helped me here!!!)

Long story short, with 70 grains of BP pushing a 465 grain bullet, I was hitting high. I mean, two feet high at 100 yards. I didn't want to weld some metal on the front sight, so... I went the "Super Tactical No-Gunsmith Scope Mount" way.

I am sharing this here, frankly, because another fellow moderator, who witnessed today's test, threatened me - he would expose my heresy unless I come clean on my own. :) Purist, you have the right to be shocked.

The thing is, I have the opportunity to hunt at a friend's outfitter, great place in southern Quebec, with bear, deer, trout, moose... and he asked me if such an old implement could be accurate enough for deer. In southern Quebec, we are talking short range, I figure it's worth a try. But, the bullet holes still have to be near where you aim. I need to trust my rifle, otherwise I won't shoot.

So, I feel my adventure is finally coming together. In one of my parts bins, I found a suitable mount which I could shape to fit on the rear sight base. Wish I had a milling machine, but this was done the old fashion way, with files, sand belts, drill press, etc.

Since our government wants to take away our "assault weapons which were made to kill as many humans as possible, in the shortest amount of time", I think a red dot which bears the initials "AK" was the best thing to put on it.

Sighted in at 50 yards. Then went to 100 and adjusted the sight so it would be centered at that distance. Grouped well enough, yay! (pie-plate size). Shot my last two rounds at 50 yards to see how high it would hit, so now, I know where this rifle hits between 50 and 100 yards (picture of that last 50 yard target below). I will try to find the time to go in the bush...

Lou

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I remember a movie where Charles Bronson makes a blow gun out of a lamp. These are prohibited in Canada.This is an even better use of a lamp. Dignity restored! The spirits can rest now...
True story. In the words of Elmer Keith..."Hell I was there!"
The red dot? The spirits understand.
 
Awesome. Sniders shoot real high. Mine shoots about 3' high at 50 yards. I made a clamp on front sight and it now hits poa at 50. At 100 the groups are about 24". Same load as yours.
 
Hi Lou. Next time try shooting it with a bayonet attached. That may bring the group down.
I must admit that I never thought I'd see the day when someone put a scope on a Snider.
You can actually get the bullet velocity so low you can see it whizzing down range. JOHN
 
Serious question, when it comes to historic black powder guns "shooting high" is this because the sight picture is much different with these rifles than with modern rifles? After looking at a musketry manual, shooting was practiced with 53 Enfield rifled muskets with three sight positions. "Fine sight" "Full-sight" & "Half sight". Soldiers were trained in these three positions based on the ranges being shot/qualified on. So is it likely that the notion that the rifles "shoot high" based on using a more recent notion of sight picture rather than a fault with the rifle or propellant?
 
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Purist, you have the right to be shocked.

outraged.... that is an abomination :)

now eagerly awaiting for you to post pictures of the deer :)



on shooting high.. my load for my various Martinis is about 16" high at 100m some of which may be attributed to a lighter bullet and higher MV then milspec but 16" is a lot. Other contributing factors must include damage to the front sight and that musketry at the time used a 6 OClock hold on the target.
 
Yup, I bought a Stevens Favorite 22LR, has a barrel from another gun, so has no rear sight. Someone made a L bracket peep sight, that shot 12" so I used the holes and made a scope mount from a 1022. Worked well other than the scope falling apart.

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