I know there is the convertible and the different opinions about accuracy but if Ruger came out with a Black Hawk that had a dedicated 9mm barrel would it be enough to push you to buying one - proven platform - no moon clips - favorable price point??
If Ruger made a Black Hawk with a dedicted 9mm barrel (.355) would you buy it?
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No i dont see the advantage over my 38/357 blackhawk to start with.
I guess as an afterthought if you already had 9mm autos and accuracy is that poor at 25 yrds i see your point. I only shoot other 38/357 revolvers so it wouldnt be my thing. Do the 9mm plated bullets produce that bad a group in the convertable?
I guess as an afterthought if you already had 9mm autos and accuracy is that poor at 25 yrds i see your point. I only shoot other 38/357 revolvers so it wouldnt be my thing. Do the 9mm plated bullets produce that bad a group in the convertable?
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No. What would be the reason? The 38 special for what we use guns for is every bit as good as the 9mm.
None of my targets have ever complained to be that the bullets that were going through them were movung to fast or to slow.
Graydog
None of my targets have ever complained to be that the bullets that were going through them were movung to fast or to slow.
Graydog
Yes, they could also make the cylinder hold 7 or 8 shots, that would be even better, the cylinder is big enough for that. I'd rather shoot 9mm, I want to keep my ammo variety to a minimum and I already have a few guns that use that ammo.
What I'd really like is the S&W R8 in 9mm.
The SP101 in 9mm would be nice too.
What I'd really like is the S&W R8 in 9mm.
The SP101 in 9mm would be nice too.
hatman1793
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Buy the convertible Blackhawk and just switch out the barrel for a true-sized 9mm one.
No. The 357 version delivers the same, or more power, and can be downloaded with 38Spl.
The only way a 9mm revolver would make sense to me would be if it was designed as a pocket gun with a shorter cylinder than 38 Spl.
The only way a 9mm revolver would make sense to me would be if it was designed as a pocket gun with a shorter cylinder than 38 Spl.
Good point. I would prefer to have Two cylinders, one for .357 and one for 38spl. That would end the task of cleaning up the crud ring you get using 38spl rounds in 357 chambers.
A friend has the Ruger with the 9MM cylinder and he says he get mediocre accuracy at best with his convertible. I now make 9MM bullets for him sized .358 which is almost as cast. They seem to work ok for him.
Bob
I can see where it would pull in a few folks that are married to semi auto guns more or less exclusively. A 9mm gun would allow them to have "A" revolver without a lot of extra effort to buy or reload a different ammo type.
But really? I think this would be a rather small group. After all, the sort of revolver that would appeal as a staunch semi auto type that is only interested in one revolver as a bit of variety would be more likely to be a flip out hand ejector SA/DA revolver. Most semi fans would not want to bother with the shucking and loading one at a time through the gate of a dedicated single action.
But really? I think this would be a rather small group. After all, the sort of revolver that would appeal as a staunch semi auto type that is only interested in one revolver as a bit of variety would be more likely to be a flip out hand ejector SA/DA revolver. Most semi fans would not want to bother with the shucking and loading one at a time through the gate of a dedicated single action.
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Kart match barrels for cz75s used. 357" barrels, so why bother?
Mediocre accuracy is probably more caused by twist rate rather than bore diameter.
Run 147gr 9mm thru your ruger convertible and see what happens...
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I can see where it would pull in a few folks that are married to semi auto guns more or less exclusively. A 9mm gun would allow them to have "A" revolver without a lot of extra effort to buy or reload a different ammo type.
But really? I think this would be a rather small group. After all, the sort of revolver that would appeal as a staunch semi auto type that is only interested in one revolver as a bit of variety would be more likely to be a flip out hand ejector SA/DA revolver. Most semi fans would not want to bother with the shucking and loading one at a time through the gate of a dedicated single action.
I do agree BC rider - with some of the interest I have seen in the Alfa Pro 9mm revolvers on the threads I was curious what readers would think of a dedicated 9mm in the black hawk configuration so I posed the question. I am relatively new to restricted and went back and forth on the idea of a Single action or a DA/SA for my first revolver - after shooting my Smith 17 I think if I had gone SA I would have traded to a DA/SA by now. Not saying there is any thing wrong with a S/A but I can see how it would not have been my thing - the 17 now has a big brother in a 586 - it is a catchy sickness!!
I can see where it would pull in a few folks that are married to semi auto guns more or less exclusively. A 9mm gun would allow them to have "A" revolver without a lot of extra effort to buy or reload a different ammo type.
But really? I think this would be a rather small group. After all, the sort of revolver that would appeal as a staunch semi auto type that is only interested in one revolver as a bit of variety would be more likely to be a flip out hand ejector SA/DA revolver. Most semi fans would not want to bother with the shucking and loading one at a time through the gate of a dedicated single action.
I do agree BC rider - with some of the interest I have seen in the Alfa Pro 9mm revolvers on the threads I was curious what readers would think of a dedicated 9mm in the black hawk configuration so I posed the question. I am relatively new to restricted and went back and forth on the idea of a Single action or a DA/SA for my first revolver - after shooting my Smith 17 I think if I had gone SA I would have traded to a DA/SA by now. Not saying there is any thing wrong with a S/A but I can see how it would not have been my thing - the 17 now has a big brother in a 586 - it is a catchy sickness!!
It's a sickness for sure. I'm so affected that I even developed a taste for cap and ball revolvers shooting real black powder..... 
I've been using my shorter barrel 4.2's revolver for IDPA events for just over a year now. I wanted to stick to it long enough to become good at the reloading. It's taken me this long because I never find time to practice other than at the matches. But it's paid off because now I've gotten a few others interested in using their revolvers for more than just target shooting. So now it's not just me shooting in SSR category any more. There's typically two or three of us so we've got some good smack talk going on at lunch or if two of us happen to get onto the same squad.
I've been using my shorter barrel 4.2's revolver for IDPA events for just over a year now. I wanted to stick to it long enough to become good at the reloading. It's taken me this long because I never find time to practice other than at the matches. But it's paid off because now I've gotten a few others interested in using their revolvers for more than just target shooting. So now it's not just me shooting in SSR category any more. There's typically two or three of us so we've got some good smack talk going on at lunch or if two of us happen to get onto the same squad.
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It's a sickness for sure. I'm so affected that I even developed a taste for cap and ball revolvers shooting real black powder.....
I've been using my shorter barrel 4.2's revolver for IDPA events for just over a year now. I wanted to stick to it long enough to become good at the reloading. It's taken me this long because I never find time to practice other than at the matches. But it's paid off because now I've gotten a few others interested in using their revolvers for more than just target shooting. So now it's not just me shooting in SSR category any more. There's typically two or three of us so we've got some good smack talk going on at lunch or if two of us happen to get onto the same squad.
Interesting you talked about Cap and Ball and real black powder - I played a bit with BP this summer but in a bit of a different configuration. I picked up a golf ball mortar and was firing it over the lake - at max load (I think that was just under 1.5 teaspoons - would have to check my loading sheet) it would launch the ball 200 yds + making it difficult to see the landing on a rough day. The kids (and adults) thought it was a real blast - quite the BANG - louder than fireworks for sure - it was funny the next day when the people down the lake asked me if I hear the thunder yesterday around noon. Even funnier is every time I shoot it and there is someone new around they come back and give me golf balls. The accuracy is minute of island but a pretty neat toy for the $100.
It's a sickness for sure. I'm so affected that I even developed a taste for cap and ball revolvers shooting real black powder.....
I've been using my shorter barrel 4.2's revolver for IDPA events for just over a year now. I wanted to stick to it long enough to become good at the reloading. It's taken me this long because I never find time to practice other than at the matches. But it's paid off because now I've gotten a few others interested in using their revolvers for more than just target shooting. So now it's not just me shooting in SSR category any more. There's typically two or three of us so we've got some good smack talk going on at lunch or if two of us happen to get onto the same squad.
Interesting you talked about Cap and Ball and real black powder - I played a bit with BP this summer but in a bit of a different configuration. I picked up a golf ball mortar and was firing it over the lake - at max load (I think that was just under 1.5 teaspoons - would have to check my loading sheet) it would launch the ball 200 yds + making it difficult to see the landing on a rough day. The kids (and adults) thought it was a real blast - quite the BANG - louder than fireworks for sure - it was funny the next day when the people down the lake asked me if I hear the thunder yesterday around noon. Even funnier is every time I shoot it and there is someone new around they come back and give me golf balls. The accuracy is minute of island but a pretty neat toy for the $100.
I picked up two 9mm revolvers since the spring, Alfa Proj 9261 and a Convertible Blackhawk 9mm/357. I was very pleased with the accuracy of the Alfa and was ready to be disappointed with the performance of the 9mm cylinder in the Ruger. There was no disappointment in spite of all the internet threads about lackluster accuracy of the 9mm cylinder.
My observations on shooting the Blackhawk in 9mm: 115 and 124 grain projectiles are zippy with a nice flat trajectory at 40 to 50 yards. More economical to reload than 38 or 357. On my press I find I can load large batches of 9mm much faster than 38 or 357. The stubby 9mm round is actually faster and easier to load and extract than the longer 38/357 in a single action. Recoil is reduced which leads to less flinching than 357, allowing more focus on aiming and trigger control.
I have nothing against the 357 but for our Canadian handgun use climate, 9mm actually makes a lot of sense. Now if it came to hunting or defense.............another story.
My observations on shooting the Blackhawk in 9mm: 115 and 124 grain projectiles are zippy with a nice flat trajectory at 40 to 50 yards. More economical to reload than 38 or 357. On my press I find I can load large batches of 9mm much faster than 38 or 357. The stubby 9mm round is actually faster and easier to load and extract than the longer 38/357 in a single action. Recoil is reduced which leads to less flinching than 357, allowing more focus on aiming and trigger control.
I have nothing against the 357 but for our Canadian handgun use climate, 9mm actually makes a lot of sense. Now if it came to hunting or defense.............another story.
