If you ever want to complain about the build quality of the Norinco CQ: Read this

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At least you aren't a Sudanese soldier depending their life on a Terab.

What is a Terab you say? Well, it's an unlicenced copy of an unlicenced copy of an unlicenced copy of the M16.

You read it right.

Terab being used by Sudanese troops.
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The Sudanese managed to copy the Iranian produced S-5.56 without a licence (because why would you?)

Iranian S-5.56 upgraded.
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Regular S-5.56
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Iranian troops with S-5.56s
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What's the S-5.56? Doesn't it look familiar?
It's a Norinco CQ.

Try fitting your standard Mil-spec lower on this doozy. I can only imagine the spec tolerance on a Terab. Good luck.
 
Nothing in this post really says anything about the quality. Just because it's a copy of a copy? Maybe they Googled the freely available technical specs for the M16.
 
new Norinco AR or an AK that is 50 years old and been through 48 years of war and neglect? I would be willing be to take my chances with norinco AR. Its not like Sudan is going to be buying the latest HK 416, they are a dirt poor country with little options
 
Armedsask said:
Nothing in this post really says anything about the quality. Just because it's a copy of a copy? Maybe they Googled the freely available technical specs for the M16.
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Norinco reverse engineered the CQ back in the 80s. The plans wasn't really available then. Nor were when Iranians took the CQ and remade it in early 2000s.

Maybe the Sudanese did Google it, but it's odd their finished product ends up looking like the S-5.56/CQ they bought from Iran instead of more modern AR-15 platforms no?

Gnome75 said:
new Norinco AR or an AK that is 50 years old and been through 48 years of war and neglect? I would be willing be to take my chances with norinco AR. Its not like Sudan is going to be buying the latest HK 416, they are a dirt poor country with little options
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Well, they still might have some Norinco/Iranian copies in their hand. It's their domestic made rifles that are the problem.
 
Bahh, they're probably fine. Norinco AR 15's are pretty reliable Rifles. Just don't think you're going to use parts from one on a Mil-spec Rifle and expect it fit perfectly. I bought a used CQ-A upper receiver, it worked, some fitting was required though.

I would think a Country that is well on it's way to having the ability to make a Nuke would find manufacturing AR 15's pretty straight forward. Also I doubt it would be a chore for Sudan to manufacture these rifles as well.
 
The infantry solder doesn't care if his rifle is a copy, or how well civilian parts fit it, or how well licensed it is. As long as it always goes bang. Which my CQ-As do.
 
redshooter said:
Bahh, they're probably fine. Norinco AR 15's are pretty reliable Rifles. Just don't think you're going to use parts from one on a Mil-spec Rifle and expect it fit perfectly. I bought a used CQ-A upper receiver, it worked, some fitting was required though.

I would think a Country that is well on it's way to having the ability to make a Nuke would find manufacturing AR 15's pretty straight forward. Also I doubt it would be a chore for Sudan to manufacture these rifles as well.
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You would think, but then look at some of the odd stuff coming out of China.

Slipnslide said:
Probably better then whatever crap they were using before.
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AKM made in the 60s, only dropped 3 times.

MkivSupra said:
Other than the markings on the top rail being done in sharpie, they dont look too terable
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Thanks dad.
 
Use the search function to peruse the last decade or two of threads on quality of Norinco.
Not only are they cheap, but they work. Thousands of Canadians would agree.

Sudan has a long history of the AR, first adopting some AR10s in the late fifties or early sixties.
They use whatever is offered or cheap.
Norinco or Iranian copies, or their Iranian equivalent too.

Sudan is also one of the hotspots of weapons laundering from various sources into Syria.
There is a lot of local bleed off of these shipments.
Think of it as a ten percent transfer fee for the locals of whatever goes through their hands.
There is a reason the CQ A is popular, just like the M16A1, reliable, accurate and light.

Sudan had been interested in getting the Iranians or the Chinese to help set up a plant to make AR10s locally. I don't think that went anywhere. According to The Firearms Blog, Sudan has recently adopted the chinese QBZ97.
 
I was kinda expecting some kind of first hand experience, not just 4 random pictures found on the Internet. AR is not that complicated of a rifle to manufacture. with modern machines and tooling these rifles are probably better made than the early production M16 that was made in the 60's.
 
hbean said:
I was kinda expecting some kind of first hand experience, not just 4 random pictures found on the Internet. AR is not that complicated of a rifle to manufacture. with modern machines and tooling these rifles are probably better made than the early production M16 that was made in the 60's.
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I do agree with you. Even AR15s are being made in my home country Pakistan. Companies are making billet receivers up there.
 
hbean said:
I was kinda expecting some kind of first hand experience, not just 4 random pictures found on the Internet. AR is not that complicated of a rifle to manufacture. with modern machines and tooling these rifles are probably better made than the early production M16 that was made in the 60's.
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So true. The dimensions on an AR15 are for the most part very loose. I hardly even measure stuff anymore. It's pretty hard to mess one up.
 
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