I'm getting several different answers for my question anyone got the answer

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There's a few people saying that black powder rifles I Flintlock and percussion cap are firearms others are saying that they're not RCMP are saying it's a gray area same thing as a firearms program.
Anyone got the answer for this question is it a firearm or is it not I know it's non-restricted anyway
 
I'll give this very tricky area a stab:

In the Canadian Criminal Code a weapon is defined as being:

weapon means any thing used, designed to be used or intended for use

  • (a) in causing death or injury to any person, or
  • (b) for the purpose of threatening or intimidating any person
and, without restricting the generality of the foregoing, includes a firearm and, for the purposes of sections 88, 267 and 272, any thing used, designed to be used or intended for use in binding or tying up a person against their will; (arme)

A firearm is defined as being

firearm means a barrelled weapon from which any shot, bullet or other projectile can be discharged and that is capable of causing serious bodily injury or death to a person, and includes any frame or receiver of such a barrelled weapon and anything that can be adapted for use as a firearm; (arme à feu)

Antique Firearm is defined as being:

antique firearm means

  • (a) any firearm manufactured before 1898 that was not designed to discharge rim-fire or centre-fire ammunition and that has not been redesigned to discharge such ammunition, or
  • (b) any firearm that is prescribed to be an antique firearm; (arme à feu historique)

So with these definitions in mind:

a modern manufactured flintlock (Pedersoli, Euroarms, Uberti etc.) is a firearm and would require a PAL.
A modern manufactured flintlock or percussion handgun (again Pedersoli, Uberti etc) would be a firearm that falls within the restricted firearm catagory.

For antique status you will require documentation (provenance) that the particular forearm was manufactured before 1898.

Many will point out that the Criminal Code, Firearms Act and the Firearms Act Regulations contain many contradictions, some have said it's like neighbours who hate each other came up with these conflicting rules. Don't get me started on replica firearms. If you stick to the above you should be good.
 
There's a few people saying that black powder rifles I Flintlock and percussion cap are firearms others are saying that they're not RCMP are saying it's a gray area same thing as a firearms program.
Anyone got the answer for this question is it a firearm or is it not I know it's non-restricted anyway

the short answer is that modern flintlock longarms are antiques for the purposes of licensing and possession and are firearms for the purposes of storage, transport, or if used in a crime. Modern percussion long arms are firearms. Pre 1898 muzzle loaders both long arms and handguns are antique and exempt as above but modern for transport, storage or if used in a crime
I think CC 84 1a and 1b, SOR 98-464 and CC 84 3 are in one of the stickies at the top of the forum

cheers mooncoon
 
bilgeneutron you missed the 'prescribe' definition in (b) any firearm that is prescribed to be an antique firearm; (arme à feu historique)
From the Regulations Prescribing Antique Firearms (SOR/98-464 linked by 8ball "1 A reproduction of a flintlock, wheel-lock or matchlock firearm, other than a handgun, manufactured after 1897."
No PAL required as flintlock long arms are prescribed antiques. When the registry was in use, modern made flintlock long arms were not required to be registered as they were considered antiques and no PAL was needed to buy them.
 
Don't forget, a modern flintlock pistol is prohibited if the barrel length is under 105mm. It looks like this even applies to matchlocks.
 
Thanks all, I got my answer, it's a percussion cap black powder, so it would be considered non restricted, but I asked Cabela's that have the same rifle, they said no pal required ahhah, I'm gonna say it's non restricted
 
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