Import Certificate For Flintlock ?

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I just got off the phone with Canada Customs and was told that I need to get an import paper to bring in a flintlock kit from the states ! I am so confused ! can somebody give me some idea as to what the implications are for ordering a flintlock kit from the states . Thanks
 
wayne37 said:
I just got off the phone with Canada Customs and was told that I need to get an import paper to bring in a flintlock kit from the states ! I am so confused ! can somebody give me some idea as to what the implications are for ordering a flintlock kit from the states . Thanks
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Um, I'm confused as well.
I am wondering if Canada Customs is talking about the form that is required to bring the flintlock back into the country after you take it out, (one that prooves you didn't buy it there....)

Never heard of an import requirement for a flintlock kit......

CCRA is just upstairs in the building I work in. I'll go ask what the hell they're talking about.
 
wayne37 said:
I just got off the phone with Canada Customs and was told that I need to get an import paper to bring in a flintlock kit from the states ! I am so confused ! can somebody give me some idea as to what the implications are for ordering a flintlock kit from the states . Thanks
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I orderd two flintlock musket kits from the USA with no problem. They were shipped US Postal Services and described as metal tube, wood, metal parts and brass casting.
My suspicion is that when you ask a custom agent, you get them confused and they give you the standard answer for a rifle...they play safe by giving you a general answer which does not match your specific case...I would rely more in the supplyer that ship these to Canada on a regular basis...insist on US Postal (not courrier as they have extra custom broker charges).

Enjoy!
 
I just got back from CCRA, and they said you must have been speaking to an idiot......or someone pretending to be a CCRA employee! :D

Here is what they quoted me, from the Canada Firearms Website:
The last paragraph grabbed my attention though, not sure what they mean about that!


Authorizations to Import
Currently, you do not need an import authorization under Canadian law for non-prohibited firearms or firearm parts. However, you may need one to comply with the laws of the other country. For example, under U.S. law, an export permit is required for all permanent exports of firearms, ammunition, and certain firearm parts. The U.S. authorities will not issue an export permit unless they have evidence that Canada will allow these goods to be imported. An International Import Certificate (IIC) issued by DFAIT will provide the required evidence. There is no fee for an IIC.

To obtain an application for an IIC, call DFAIT at (613) 996-2387 or 1 800 267-8376, or fax your request to (613) 996-9933. Please allow up to three weeks for the processing of an IIC application.
Once you get your IIC, you must send the original to the business or individual handling the export arrangements so that they can include it in their application for an export permit.

You and the exporter will have to decide between the two of you who will be responsible for obtaining any required authorizations from countries that the firearm may pass through in transit.

When the imports and exports provisions of the Firearms Act and its supporting regulations are fully in force, you will need an authorization to import all firearms imports and certain firearm parts. Our web site will be updated when this change occurs.
 
wayne37 said:
Thats what I asked the girl on the phone, her reply was that if it can fire a projectile it has to have an import certificate.
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A musket kit is not a firearm, yet. Look at the technical description on the one I ordered from Track of the Wolf last December...

http://i157.photobucket.com/albums/t76/jacques1952/PICT6098.jpg

Again speaking on the phone with an agent you get that kind of safe answer.

My suggestion ...deal with the US supplyer, they ship these kits to Canada all the time.
 
JacquesT said:
A musket kit is not a firearm, yet.
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Well, I can't see that a jumble of musket parts will ever be considered a firearm.....especially given how they are classed in the U.S.

In Canada, they are still parts until assembled....and then, of course, flintlocks, matchlocks, etc (regardless of when they were made) are classed as "antique" firearms, which as you know are not subject to the same purchase, registration or other regulations assigned to other classes of firearms.
 
nessy357 said:
This problem arises because some CBSA are not aware that flintlock rifles are "prescribed antiques" and therefore not firearms.
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Hey Nessy, I know that this might just be picking fly $hit out of pepper, but is saying they are "not" firearms actually correct?
Try and follow my logic.....
- A de-activated firearm, is no longer a firearm as it no longer functions/shoots, (i.e. a chunk of metal for display purposes)
- A "prescribed" antique, is an antique firearm that is exempt from regulations. Are they not still firearms by definition?
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** Edit- Re-read the regulations and definitions. Confusing as hell......
 
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cc84 3 says that they are not firearms for the purpose of registration and possession licenses but are firearms if used in a crime. They occupy a dual status.

cc84 1(b) and SOR 98-464 say they are prescribed antiques (longarms only)

cheers mooncoon
 
mooncoon said:
cc84 3 says that they are not firearms for the purpose of registration and possession licenses but are firearms if used in a crime. They occupy a dual status.

cc84 1(b) and SOR 98-464 say they are prescribed antiques (longarms only)

cheers mooncoon
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Thanks mooncoon.
I was returning to Canada a couple of weeks ago via Port Angeles/Victoria. I had withme, muzzleloader rifles, guns and pistol. I do this 2 or 3 times ayear, so I'm used to the drill.The CBSA was mostly staffed with summer students that day, so my secondary "interview" was conducted by the Superintendent. Very pleasant and knowledgeable young lady. I declared the "firearms" and the "prescribed antiques".
She threw me for a loop when she politely asked the definition of the "prescibed antiques" ? she seemed satisfied , and said I could go now.
I guess my point goes back to why don't the CBSA folks know ?
They don't have their own definition, and so you have to direct them to the CFC website.
BTW until last month,for the last 2 years I've had a harder time entering the USA with my "prescribed antiques".Some of our club members have been turned back to Canada with their muzzleloaders.
Cheers nessy
 
Keep it simple have the kit source mail the kit to you using, U.S. Internations Postal Service. Have them mark the package as an " Antique ". When it arrives you can then pick it up at the PO and pay your taxes.
 
I have never heard such nonesence....

I and literally hundreds of reinactors a year buy muskets from all over, complete or in kit form often.

Demand to speak to someone who knows the laws.

I have never heard in my life such complete dark faced lie.

Last time I talked to a firearms office rep I asked if he could see in the future any odd laws with regard to flintlocks and thus reinacting with regards to buying, shipping/ travel/ skirmishing and what not, he laughed and said theres no way.

Pardon if im going on but you can own//cast/posess/shoot in approved areas and build flintlocks anywhere in this bloody country LEGALLY without any soul selling rights sacraficing communistic paperwork.
Order without any worrys then go out and shoot safely!!


Karl Marx is dead and a Russian Royalist killed Trotsky with a mexican ice pick this is CANADA.!!
 
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