Info needed on a Varmint rig set up

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My plan is to pop some song dogs this winter...I have access to about 300 acres of private land,river on one side and a 100 foot clay bank on the other....very nice area for sure.....I am leaning towards a 22-250,only cuase I had one last year and it was awesome....the 223 looks great to me as well.....the range will be anywhere from 100 yards on out to 400 yards plus.. (keep in mind,this is not to say I will be successful at this range,but damn it'll sure be fun)....I'm not trying to cause a debate between which is the better or a more accurate calibre or whatever,just looking for some varmint hunters opinions and experiences...I am able to reload as well,so ammo is not a real issue....

Please enlighten me as to any other calibre prospects that may fit the bill that I have not thought about......I don't want big "honkin" holes in the hide (thus my choice in the smaller calibres),my future father in law does up the hides and sends them to..well :? ....wherever he sends them to...somewhere down East I believe....anyway,thanks for all info and help and advice in advance....

Bob
 
I'd go with the 22-250...actually, I did.

Use a 50 gr VMax or a Ballistic Tip...some guys swear by 40's, say they do less fur damage....I never worried about the hides.

A 223 will work, but loses some trajectory after about 250 yards...

223 is a lot cheaper to shoot if you don't reload.

A lot of guys use a 223 for calling...get them under 250 yards and if they stand still your in business :D
 
Thanks Rembo......ain't ruled ya out by the way....still awaitng a few more pics to check out if ya know what I mean on two others....still debating on the 77/22 deal as well.......talk to ya soon..

Am pretty set on a 22-250,so I think that's what she'll end up being....just thought that I had better get some more opinoins was my main purpose....
 
Either will work, but I'd say go with the .22-250. It seems to have a lot more "smack down" power once you get past 300 yards from my experience. Rembo's got some good advice for you there.
 
Rembo had some good advice, as well a a very nice shootin iron! 22-250 is a great coyote rig. Unfortunately, estimating range properly past 300 yards has more to do with success on long range dogs as does bullet style/weight of velocity
 
mysticplayer said:
If land is open and windy, 22.250. If neighbours "close by", 223 (not as loud). I would load the 223 with the 40gr Vmax, 22.250 with a 50gr Vmax and have at it.

Jerry
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smart guy..this mystic fella :D...I have a "new to me" stainless Model Seven in 223 and a couple boxes of 40 VMax's at home left over from the summer's gopher popping with the Hornet.......
 
mysticplayer said:
If land is open and windy, 22.250. If neighbours "close by", 223 (not as loud). I would load the 223 with the 40gr Vmax, 22.250 with a 50gr Vmax and have at it.

Jerry
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Very open...hay and alfalfa fields.......would like to be in there for elk right now,but no go on 'er :? ....some nice fellas in there,hell I even tried calling them up to crown land,but they just aren't interested...four 6x6's there and a 5x6,not all together in a group,but scattered about.....SIGHHHHH
 
Chola, Im no expert by any means, but Im very partial to the 243 win for vermin.
a wide varety of bullets, and its ability to buck wind better than a 22 makes it a good choice for vermin up to deer and black bears.
Mind you, IMHO, louder than either the 22-250 and 223, and a bit more expensive to reoad, its a real gem. and 4000fps with a 55 gr ballistic tip isnt hard to do. Hell, factory 55 gr ballistic tips do 3950 FPS out of my 22 inch browning.
but if were in your shoes, I would opt for a 22-250. Hell, you can allways load it down to 223 velocities and still be accurate right?

Just my 2 cents plus tax
 
Yea. Pelt damage is going to be pretty severe using 22/250. But head shots are always more challenging anyways. If you body shoot i dont think you will find many useable pelts frankly but fun factor is through the roof. :D
 
If pelts are important to you then a tiny bullet at hellacious velocity is the ticket. Consider something like the .204 Ruger, any of the .17's (centrefire that is), the .222 with 40gr BT's or something equivalent.

The 22-250, while good will blow big holes in yotes. My personal favourite is the .243 with 70gr BT's but then I don't keep pelts. :shock: The .243 class of catridges will give more range in windy conditions and more hitting power than the big .224's.

But seriously the smaller bullets will work better, just learn to limit the range you shoot at.
 
My partner and I use 222 Remingtons,
( mine is in an Anschutz, his a 700Rem)

We use 52 grain Speer TNT's and have had only one exit in about 10 years.

We shoot our dogs anywhere from 20 yards to 200 yards.

One of the other fellas has used a 17 remington in a M7 for quite some time with equal sucsess.

This year he is using .204.

However, once you get past 200, you really have to pay attention to your range.
Ranging everything around you forst with the laser helps tremendously.
Cat
 
hmmm..........

aulrich said:
You need a 204 ruger less pelt damage than the 22-250 and better trajectory than 223.
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I was actually thinking about this round while at work last night...haven't really looked into it it,but will definately consider it now for sure that there has been some advice/reference on it......was eyeing up a mint 220swift as well........I see there was a post on the 260 or 7-08 floating around.....260 would be great as well just for the fact of being a dual purpose gun,like the 243 I owned once,and the 6mm(RR :wink: ) or the 22-250 or...... :roll: :lol:
 
chola,

The big problem with 204 ruger (though hopefully temporary) is that ammo and components are still pretty rare. The Honrady heads (and ammo) are pretty easy too come by. The Seirra heads are scares (i suspect only one batch has made it across the border), it was a good thing I bought a couple of boxes .35" @ 100 for three shots out of my handi.

For coyote I got some bergers 35 grain hollow points, and they are the current best bet for a fur bullet.

I still have not seen any brass available, I got my brass supply off of e-bay

Good new on the horizion is that Nosler will be making 20 cal bullet (posted by them on their news group), the details should be announced in December.

Supposidly both Remington and Winchester make ammo for the 204 but I have never seen either of them yet, but there has been remington brass for sale @ midwayusa (for as much as it helps).

I am not much of a fan of combination guns I shot a 243 last year I did not like it much for deer and it pretty much turned a coyote inside out at calling distances I did find one 6mm bullet that worked OK but if you want to keep the fur it is just too much gun, more so for 260 and 7-08
 
aulrich said:
chola,

The big problem with 204 ruger (though hopefully temporary) is that ammo and components are still pretty rare. The Honrady heads (and ammo) are pretty easy too come by. The Seirra heads are scares (i suspect only one batch has made it across the border), it was a good thing I bought a couple of boxes .35" @ 100 for three shots out of my handi.

For coyote I got some bergers 35 grain hollow points, and they are the current best bet for a fur bullet.

I still have not seen any brass available, I got my brass supply off of e-bay

Good new on the horizion is that Nosler will be making 20 cal bullet (posted by them on their news group), the details should be announced in December.

Supposidly both Remington and Winchester make ammo for the 204 but I have never seen either of them yet, but there has been remington brass for sale @ midwayusa (for as much as it helps).

I am not much of a fan of combination guns I shot a 243 last year I did not like it much for deer and it pretty much turned a coyote inside out at calling distances I did find one 6mm bullet that worked OK but if you want to keep the fur it is just too much gun, more so for 260 and 7-08
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Aulrich, you might try Richard at Alberta Wildcats.
I believe he is making .204 bullets now.
(If they are anywhere near what his other bullets are as far as quality goes, they are going to be fantastic! :lol:

He goes by "bulletsmith" on this board....
Cat
 
Ahhhhh I am a conventionalist... 220 SWIFT, nough' said!...... I like using 55gr bullets in my Swift. I use a Ruger M77MKII Bull Barrel, 36x Weaver 36T (You can watch the hairs on a wolf's ####### move when he farts at 300 yards) :shock:

A .308 would be a nice long shooting caliber..... 6mm PPC anyone? However, you can't go wrong with a .22-250... Good choice too.

Once you set up a nice Varmint rifle... You will be a roof-top sniper for LIFE. :twisted:
 
aulrich said:
Good new on the horizion is that Nosler will be making 20 cal bullet (posted by them on their news group), the details should be announced in December.
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That is good news indeed.

Supposidly both Remington and Winchester make ammo for the 204 but I have never seen either of them yet ...
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Wholesale Sports has Winchester 34 grain Super-X JHP.

Looking forward to trying the 204 Ruger. I have one ordered in a Rem 700 VLS. :D
 
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