Info on 9x57 Mauser? (Pics) New info on page 2.

[bdft]

I picked up an old rifle in 9x57 with a Mauser action. There is no manufacturer's name on it anywhere, just acane stamp marks. I think it is British based on the proof marks but that is just an educated guess. Any info would be much appreciated. See pictures below.

Underside of barrel just forward of the action:

Left side of the barrel just forward of the action:

 

[MiG25]

nice piece, i am sure someone who knows will pipe in but i don't think those are british proofs.

 

[bdft]

Yeah, I'm sure somebody here will know something. I wonder if the N with the crown over it stands for Netherlands.

 

[Billy The Kid]

I have some Kynoch 9mm mauser ammo if you're interested.

 

[bdft]

I got a bunch of handloads, brass and bullets with the deal plus I have some factory ammo too so I'm good for awhile. Thanks for the offer though.

 

[oldbadger]

Looks like a Model 26(?) Mauser sporter. I have a very similar rifle, but with double set triggers. Watch the old Kynoch loads, they are straight nitro powder and hotter than all get out.

Correct bullet diameter is .355-.356, but as long as you load to sane velocities and pressures, modern .358 jacketed bullets should be safe. Mine likes the 225 Sierra Game Kings. I used to swage them down to .355, but after awhile discovered (in my rifle) that it made little or no difference. Just under the .358 Win in horsepower.

Proof marks look more Belgique than anything else.

 

[jennis]

oldbadger,

any chance you post a pic of your rifle ?????

 

[Mauser Oberndorf]

The N with the crown is a pre-1939 German Proof Mark when the weapon was tested. The N stands for Normaler Beschuss for conventional testing. There are other letters like V which stands for Verstaerkter Beschuss, which is reinforced or strengthened.

 

[kombi1976]

Does it have the thumb cutout on the LHS of the action or is it a proper sporter action?
Looks like a damn nice rifle, BTW.

 

[jacky]

I would be interested in the ballastics of such a round. Is it not like a 300 H&H?? or is it bigger ?? Nice gun in a cool caliber.

Jacky

 

[1899]

I would be interested in the ballastics of such a round. Is it not like a 300 H&H?? or is it bigger ?? Nice gun in a cool caliber.

Jacky

It is more like a .358 Winchester.
The old Kynoch 245gr RN or Solid had a muzzle velocity of 2150fps

As a side note, the 9x57 is probably the rarest chambering in a pre-64 Model 70 Winchester.

 

[catnthehatt]

Here isw Old badger's 9X57
Very nice and light rifle!
Cat

 

[jacky]

It is more like a .358 Winchester.
The old Kynoch 245gr RN or Solid had a muzzle velocity of 2150fps

As a side note, the 9x57 is probably the rarest chambering in a pre-64 Model 70 Winchester.

I did not know that the pre-64 Mod 70 was ever chambered in that caliber. I think the 7X57 chambering is probably a close second in rarest. Never seen one for sale but they are out there somewhere.

Jacky

 

[bdft]

Mauser Obendorf, thanks for the info.
Kombi1976, thumb cut out on LHS and slot for charger strip on top of action definitely military action.
Oldbadger, that rifle is almost a twin to mine. Yours has a nicer stock. Mine has no checkering. Exact same rear sight and front sight. Even the same steel buttplate that wraps up over the stock. No double set triggers on mine. I think its safe to say that I have a Model 26 Mauser sporter. Yours is just a little more high end. Could you post or PM me the load you are using? With the fixed sights I have to find the load the gun's set up for and you might be able to give me a good starting point.

 

[bdft]

The final word on the 9x57.

Found a Mauser expert on accuratereloading.com. Here's what he told me:

"This is likely a pre WW 1 genuine Mauser rifle model B in 9x57.

The proof marks indicate Nitro proof with a Steel jacket bullet of weight of 18.3 gram
( (282.41 gr ) This was the heaviest of the DWM bullet offerings in 9mm.

It also wears the Mauser BU proof ( faint ) under the serial number which is the civilian proof used by the inhouse mauser Mauser Proof house from 1898 to 1924. This Rifle is a model B Mauser !"

"The 8.8 is the bore diameter in mm
The 57 is the chamber / case length."

"6.37 and 1.1 are land and groove width respectively."

"St.M.G

= Stahl mantel geschoss ( german)

= Steel mantel bullet

of weight 18.3 gm

Now in the 9mm DWM originally made 3 bullet weights. (18.3gm, 16.1gm and 13.6gm ) Later the range was expanded and the steel jacket bullet dropped.

Bullet numbers 332A, 330A, 330E, 373A, 381, 381E, 381P, 381K and 376 were made for the 9mm

The Germans were very precise and had everything neatly catalogued and sorted by numeral and alphabetical designation dependent on the bullet type."

There, now we're all a little smarter and I found two more gun forums to lurk around in.

Thanks, everybody who threw in their two cents.

Jennis, the price is going up.

 

[jennis]

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