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My CA Long Branch Sten is one of the Chinese marked on the bottom of the mag well. The top, as per normal, shows the usual signs of the Chinese markings being milled off the top.

Does anyone have any of the history as to who and why (the infamous) "they" did this? Era?

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My CA Long Branch Sten is one of the Chinese marked on the bottom of the mag well. The top, as per normal, shows the usual signs of the Chinese markings being milled off the top.

Does anyone have any of the history as to who and why (the infamous) "they" did this? Era?

Stencollector?
Wow that was poorly written.

It is currently stamped with the normal Long Branch, ser # etc on the underside of the mag well. The Chinese characters/lettering were on the top of the mag well, and have subsequently been milled/ground off the top.

I'm just looking for history/reasoning/who/when did the removal.
 
If I had to guess, it is likely that it was intended for Nationalist China, but before they could be shipped Communist China took over. Since we were not in the business of supplying Communist China I then imagine they would have scrubbed the markings so they could sell them to another country.

As I said this is just a guess, but it would make sense (something like the K98ks that were made out of leftover German parts by Czechoslovakia for export).
 
If I had to guess, it is likely that it was intended for Nationalist China, but before they could be shipped Communist China took over. Since we were not in the business of supplying Communist China I then imagine they would have scrubbed the markings so they could sell them to another country.

As I said this is just a guess, but it would make sense (something like the K98ks that were made out of leftover German parts by Czechoslovakia for export).

Not quite.
We supplied Nationalist China to fight against the Japanese. WW2 ended in 1945
The communuists took over China in 1949.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/China#Republic_of_China_.281912.E2.80.9349.29
 
Were the marks removed for canadian service?
Parts of my chopped LB chinese sten have the C broad arrow. My marks are intact.
A Chinese friend if mine translated it roughly into "handgun of canadian make"
 
If I had to guess, it is likely that it was intended for Nationalist China, but before they could be shipped Communist China took over. Since we were not in the business of supplying Communist China I then imagine they would have scrubbed the markings so they could sell them to another country.

As I said this is just a guess, but it would make sense (something like the K98ks that were made out of leftover German parts by Czechoslovakia for export).
Actually we were in the business of supplying China. Have a look at the mutual aid decals and pistol slides that are highlighted on other threads here in Milsurp.
 
I have seen hundreds of the chopped Cdn stens with the Chinese script. The serial numbers are usually in two or three batches. The earlier Chinese script sten batches in the 8L, 9L and 10L series are rarely seen from Cdn service. Seems to me there may have been some 6L chinese marked as well, but I'm pretty exhausted right now so I can't be sure.But not all the 8L, 9L and 10L stens were chinese marked. I imagine most of the Chinese script ones from these batches went over. From somewhere around 11L3000 until the end of production all the Cdn stens had the Chinese script. These are usually the ones you see form Canadian service. It would seem even the spare magwells that went into store at the end of production were also Chinese script. I have seen a small number of Chinese script bodies without the usual serial number, but instead have an XR serial prefix followed by two or three numbers. I have also seen the XP prefix on one British magwell, but no idea what the modification or difference was, or the significance of the XP serial.

Of the many hundreds of Chinese script cut-ups I have seen that were directly from Cdn service, I never saw even one that had the script scrubbed out or altered. I did see a number of the Chinese script reweld dewatss coming out of Ontario about a decade or so back that had the Chinese script scrubbed to make them more sale-able. Is it possible that the same thing was done to your sten Koldt, in order to make it more sale-able? I usually find the Chinese script ones to be a bit of a dog, although at least slightly more, or at a minimum at par, with the British marked examples.

Wandering a little off topic here, but below is a shot of one of the XR prefixed stens, this one listed for sale at collectors source. They do not have the usual "L" serial number.
 
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SC, this one doesn't appear to be a re-activated de-wat. It's not the prettiest welding etc, but I'm just happy finding a 12.3 LB. Lots of Brit CAs just not easy to find a Canadian one. At least that was my experience.

This is an 8L series gun. It also has the "stepped" barrel near the muzzle. Finish is consistent throughout, so appears these parts were together for a while anyway.

There are some grinding marks on the top of the mag well, and all the Long Branch stuff is on the bottom. So I'm assuming it was Chinese script removed from the top.

I won't be close to my stuff for a some time. When I do get back to "normal" I'll take some photos and post.
 
Not saying a re-activated dewat, but perhaps whoever imported them as live C/A guns removed the script for the same reason: to make them more saleable.

I have seen very few (like maybe 1) 8L chinese sten out of Canadian service...same goes for the 9L (don't recall seeing any) or 10L (maybe 1). So that makes me believe they made it over to Chine, or somewhere else. 8L and 9L non CH script serials are not that rare, so Chinese and Cdn production were a little mixed. 10L guns without the script are quite rare I found, so it makes me think that most of the 10L was Chinese script and were sent over. 11L in the the first 3300 or so are without Chinese script and are common enough. After about the 11L3300 number I have never seen a magwell that did not have Chinese script. They also represented a fair portion of the Stens out of Canadian service.
 
Re the stepped muzzle: Laidler believes they were likely re-worded mk3 barrels or in some cases reworked mkV. A measurement of the step will tell which it is. But at any rate the barrel will be British, since we did not make either of those barrels. If you remove the barrel nut from the barrel, the markings are often seen underneath, especially if it were a Cdn barrel . I would be very surprised to learn of a stepped barrel that is Cdn made. We did have some mk3 guns remain in Cdn servie into the 60s, although the numbers represented from the cutups I observed were quite small. I think it doubtful that Canada would have bothered to produce the barrels for the small amount of guns in peacetime.

When you say "not the prettiest welding", what do you mean? By the time of the Chinese scripted guns (actually, somewhere around the 2L to 3L guns), thee magwells should be smooth finish, the trigger housings and rear sight ring area were all spot welded to the tube. The only ugly weld was usually the front sight, which would have a small weld on the front to prevent it from wandering. Even that would usually be dressed up somewhat so the finger guard would fit on OK.
 
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