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I just inherited 4 shotguns and wonder if anyone can help me in tracking information/values.

First, a W. Morse & Co. London Fine Twist, SS, 10 gauge, 3 in., external hammers ornate and curled that pivot from the side. Numbers 14 and 15 stamped on the underside of the barrels with crossed swords on either side of the numbers as well as a batwing type proof mark that could be the outline of a state or county or company logo. There is an L or a 7 stamped on the left barrel nearer the receiver end. There is an S.D stamped on the end of the tang that fits into the receiver (closest to the receiver end). On the receiver, under the barrels there is a 7 or L stamped on the right side and another logo type stamp on each side of the receiver under the where the barrels sit when attached. Straight stock, nicelly checkered, double triggers, quite a lot of engraving on the receiver and bracets that mount the receiver to the stock. Firing pins on a downward angle of about 30 degrees through the receiver. Barrel release is a 2 1/2 in long, double curved arm on the left side of the receiver.

Second is a SS., 10 ga, double trigger, with W. Richards stamped on the side of the tangs that mount the receiver on to the side of the stock. Very little engraving, pistol grip stock with some checkering. On the receiver under the left barrel stamp is BELGIUM D D, under the right barrel is 19 M* and a logo that looks like a diamond with a handle on it. Curled but short external hammers, pivoted on the side, firing pins run through the receiver at a slight downward angle. On the top of the rib stamp is LAMINATED STEEL. Underside of left barrel is stamped with an oval with the letters LEG and a * inside the oval, the same diamond shaped mark the M* and BELGIUM. Underside of the right barrel is stamped D 19 D * 189.

Both SS came to me via family living in Nebraska. Have been in the family for 70 years or so and beyond that we don't know.

Third is a FRIED, KRUPP, H.G. ESSEN, 12 ga OU. Double trigger, 3 in.. Other stamps on the top barrel are SPECIAL-GEWEHR-LAUF-STAHL and 3 interlocking Olympic type rings. Serial number stamped on the underside of the lower barrel is 279894 there are numerous other small stamps on the lower left side of the top barrel a circle with a 12 in it, an oval with Suhl in it, a 13/1, a 70. This gun came to me via a long time family friend who emigrated to Canada from Denmark in the early 60's.

Fourth is a Model 12 Winchester 12 ga which was bought new in the early 60's just before Winchester quit making them. I know the Model 12 very well but since this one is in like new condition I was wondering what the value might be.

Appreciate any leads anyone might have about these shotguns.
 
WEell, the Krupp is a very interesting gun, Krupp steel is some of the best, it was built Suhl by the sounds of it.
The Morse is London?
Sometimes the Belgian factories made "knock offs", like your "W Richards",
made to resemble a Westley Richards, so if the prrofs match on the morse the same as the Richards, it is in fact Belgian, not English.

If the guns are in good shape they could be worth something, but i would be inclined just to keep them and shoot them, I'm that type of person.

The M12, however, needs a little more info.
Does it have a diamond in the grip, pistol grip or straight stock, solid, vented, or no rib, etc.
There are so many variations it is hard to say anything about it!:rolleyes:
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The Morse sounds to me like a Birmingham gun. Are you sure it is 10 guage because the 14 and 15 sound like guage stamps and the usual form would be either one number for an early gun with no choke, or say 12 B 15M for 12 breach and 15 guage muzzle or later a 12 within a diamond to indicate choked 12 guage.
The crossed swords and company logo sound like Birmingham proof stamps although I think the swords are actually maces.
The second hammer gun has Belgian barrels with ELG in an oval being the classic belgian proof and the diamond with a handle is another proof stamp called a perron. What is strange is that W Richards was a Birmingham maker of economy shotguns so possibly this was a foreign made gun marketed by Richards or alternately it was sold out of Belgium with a sound alike name for Westley Richards. The 19 is the bore in millimeters.
The O/U sounds like it is made by Friedrich Krupp of Essen, Germany. The gewehr lauf stahl is loosely "armory steel" and Suhl is the district in Germany, unless I am mistaken.

cheers mooncoon
 
The ss are 12 gauge, checked at the receiver end, not muzzle.

They are damascus barrels and definitely not fireable with modern cartridges.

For sure the W Richards is a Belgian but the Morse does not share any similar markings or proofs with the Richards.

The mod 12 is a standard field grade gun bit its nearly new appearance made me wonder it so value.

I can't find any stamps indicating year of manufacture for the Krupp, it is a great gun, very well made, tight tolerances. Stuill would like to find a value for it.

Thanks everyone for the the help.
 
Ah yes, the legendary Krupp steel.
I have a rifle similarly marked, and I also have no idea what it is.
Mine has a hex breach area that changes to a round taper, but also has a full length rib machined into the barrel as well.
It belonged to a German gameskeeper pre WW2.
These Krupp guns are made extremely well, hang onto it.
 
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