Installing Front Dovetail Sight on Marlin 336

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I can't seem to correctly install a front dovetail sight on my Marlin 336. This is my second attempt with a second sight and it is still a bit crooked. What is the trick to doing this correctly?

https://flic.kr/p/2d3Uk2U

I followed the method on this video without success.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S22rfMmFw1I

Had to eventually file the sight by hand with a triangular file to get it to fit but it ended up being a bit crooked.
 
I can't seem to correctly install a front dovetail sight on my Marlin 336. This is my second attempt with a second sight and it is still a bit crooked. What is the trick to doing this correctly?

Had to eventually file the sight by hand with a triangular file to get it to fit but it ended up being a bit crooked.

Did you use the emery paper first ?
From left to right and tap it in lightly on the base of the sight.
I'm not 100% as to the left to right, but it rings a bell.
Rob

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kZnmcX6Xido
Model 39a 22, but it should be the same for the front sight.
 
What do you know about the sight base itself? is it new? - it is possible that someone before you had filed it - grab a nice machinists square and check that the dovetail itself is square.

If not, you can:

- if the parts are cheap - replace em all.

- get a few drops of brazing rod in the dovetail & recut/file to the correct shape. this will also work if you have gone too far on the sight itself, you are basically shimming the bottom of the dovetail. (this will also work with soft solder, but won't stand up to repeated removals)

- file the edge of the sight (not the bottom) till it's lose enough you can line it up & solder it in place. if you can't remove the plastic bit ... forget this bit.

Did you file the edge(s) of the sight or just the bottom? should be just the bottom you are filing - you can knock the burrs off the edges, but don't try to file them to fit. - if you try a 3rd new sight - check that the edges are square and parallel.

check the muzzle loaders forums before you try again ~ we generally have to cut at least 5 or 6 dovetails on a barrel & make the lugs to get it installed ;)


(oh yes, dovetails for the most part: in from the right ~ out from the left)
 
What do you know about the sight base itself? is it new? - it is possible that someone before you had filed it - grab a nice machinists square and check that the dovetail itself is square.

The base seems to be original and the original sight I removed was square.

I don't have soldering capability.

Did you file the edge(s) of the sight or just the bottom? should be just the bottom you are filing - you can knock the burrs off the edges, but don't try to file them to fit. - if you try a 3rd new sight - check that the edges are square and parallel.

I started by just filing the bottom as per the video and removed enough that there seemed to be light passing through the bottom when it was held in place up to the base. It seemed to me like I removed quite a bit with no effect. I used a course diamond hone to keep it flat and alternated sides as per the video. I then filed the sides to fit but must not have filed square as you can see from the picture.

I installed it from right to left, looking down the barrel.
 
there are so many things that could be happening here that I don't really want to tell you to just start filing somewhere without actually seeing the part .... your sight/base should be orienting itself on the sloping surfaces of the sight & base dovetails (male and female respectively going forward.)

~however~

You have a 60^ file with a safe edge? Use some layout blue (a blue sharpie will do as well) and make sure the sight base is flat and true, not marred - just clean it up, don't remove lots of metal (!!) then relieve the top (female) edges just slightly like a couple thousandths, just enough so they don't contact the inner shoulders of the sight base you can do the same to the bottom edges of the (male) sight (see image). Don't file either parts mating/sloping surfaces

Now, I can't stress that enough, SLIGHTLY - one swipe with your diamond hone can probably remove a thousandth or more material, one or two swipes MAX on those corners, again not trying to fit it here just removing a variable.

dovetail.jpg


then continue to fit that part as the video described.

if you are still not straight & you have not removed any material from the mating surfaces ~ your sight base is either tapered or someone has filed it out of true.

in that case you could:

File the sight so that you can get it in the dovetail and line it up straight by tapping it. - it will still be pretty loose.
- drill 2-4 holes in the top of the sight so you can peen (peen not pin) it in place (peening the edges of the female dovetail down)
- drill & tap 1 hole in the sight so that you can line it up and insert a grub screw to hold it in place - not a terrible idea to punch locate a divot in the sight base as well

both methods will work with the 2 sight bases you already have, since they don't fit as f now. you only get a few shots at peening the edges of the sight base/female dovetail, so use with caution.

but that's all a lot of futzing around ~ a decent gunsmith should be able to fix that up in about 20 minutes.
 
Hard to tell... but it looks like one or both of the rings, where the fiber sights goes thought is bent one way or other...it is bent on the base...a little ..you and see a small amount of different on the factory base., but maybe bent on the rings too. looks like the rifle has been drop..maybe hitting the front sight, causing the front sight to be twisted on the base....may have already been install on another rifle...
 
Hard to tell... but it looks like one or both of the rings, where the fiber sights goes thought is bent one way or other...it is bent on the base...a little ..you and see a small amount of different on the factory base., but maybe bent on the rings too. looks like the rifle has been drop..maybe hitting the front sight, causing the front sight to be twisted on the base....may have already been install on another rifle...

No, this is a brand new sight from the factory.
 
Some sights you need to use an appropriate triangle file and remove material from the base of the sight until it fits 1/3 of the way. Material should only be taken off from one side only leaving the other factory edge alone, this is to keep your sight square when installed.

With the Marlin front sights, be VERY careful when tapping in that front post because those screws holding the ramp in place are not very long AND they are brittle! Idealy, you should be using a sight pusher. If those screws snap or the threads get pulled out, it becomes a PITA! Ask me how I know... :p
 
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