Interesting Experiment

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Many of us believe that putting a dab of oil on a primer will neutralize the priming compound so that we can safely discard the primer. I've just conducted what some might consider an interesting experiment to determine if this premise is correct. I had accumulated a number of live primers, which needed to be discarded. The primers were a mixture of large rifle magnum - Remington 91/2M which had firing pin strikes but did not go, and a mixture of large pistol primers.

Yesterday, I put all of these primers in the cap of a can of break clean, and covered them with new 5-30 motor oil. Today, twenty-four hours later, I dumped out the oil, spread the primers on a steel bench, donned a plastic face shield, and began hitting them one by one with a 10 pound sledge hammer to see if any would fire.

My criteria to determine if the primer was live was if there was a bang, flash, or smoke, I considered the primer live. In my opinion, none of the live primers exhibited their full strength, but they still fired, and I saw a flashes at least a dozen times.

This becomes sort of a good news - bad news kind of thing. Given enough time, oil will neutralize priming compound, but apparently 24 hours is not enough time. Therefore, in the future I will not automatically assume oiled primers are inert. The good news is that I believe this proves that misfires are unlikely to be caused by the natural oil from your hands. I never really believed that anyway.
 
Boomer,
That is interesting. So interesting that I couldn't resist trying something similar about 2 minutes ago. I put a bit of WD40 and Lyman spray case lube on a couple of Federal Magnum primers and seated them in .375 cases. In the time it took to walk from my loading room to the garage I fired them in a rifle. There was the wimpiest of pops in both of them. A clean primer had a real loud bang. I don't know how much difference more time would have made, but most of my ammo stays loaded for more than a minute. On the other hand I guess a drop of oil won't make depriming live primers safe either. That leaves snapping them in gun and then depriming as the only real safe alternative.
Dogleg

Edit to ask: I just reread your post and noticed that some of your test primers had previous firing pin strikes on them. What do you attribute the misfires on them to now, seating, striker springs or something else?
 
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Dogleg said:
Boomer,
That is interesting. So interesting that I couldn't resist trying something similar about 2 minutes ago. I put a bit of WD40 and Lyman spray case lube on a couple of Federal Magnum primers and seated them in .375 cases. In the time it took to walk from my loading room to the garage I fired them in a rifle. There was the wimpiest of pops in both of them. A clean primer had a real loud bang. I don't know how much difference more time would have made, but most of my ammo stays loaded for more than a minute. On the other hand I guess a drop of oil won't make depriming live primers safe either. That leaves snapping them in gun and then depriming as the only real safe alternative.
Dogleg

Edit to ask: I just reread your post and noticed that some of your test primers had previous firing pin strikes on them. What do you attribute the misfires on them to now, seating, striker springs or something else?

That's interesting about the WD-40. Perhaps the motor oil I used was too thick to penetrate the priming compound. After all, WD is designed as a penetrating oil.

The rifle primers were struck multiple times before I gave up and pulled the rounds apart. I bought a large number of them during the last primer scare, and this lot seems to have an inordinate number of misfires.
 
Ah, the primer scare! I know guys that are still shooting hoarded primers from the early nineties or late eighties. I had a lot of misfies with Remington primers before I quit using them altogether. No doubt they fixed their problem years ago.
Are you going back to Tanz this year?
Dogleg
 
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Dogleg said:
Ah, the primer scare! I know guys that are still shooting hoarded primers from the early nineties or late eighties. I had a lot of misfies with Remington primers before I quit using them altogether. No doubt they fixed their problem years ago.
Are you going back to Tanz this year?
Dogleg
I didn't want to get caught up here without being able to get any primers at all so I bought something like 30K, 20K were the Remington 91/2M. I'm more than half way through them though, so I can switch back to Federal 215's in another couple of years.

It will be a while before we are in a position to think about Africa again. Are you going for buff this summer?

Lately all my spare cash has been going into getting some upgrades for our Jeep. I want to do a spring trip along the coast from Churchill to Port Nelson, then inland to Gillam, and back to Churchill on the power line. I plotted out the trip on Google Earth, and it is going to be about 520 miles. Looks like that will be put off now till next spring. If we have a serious breakdown I can't manage, it could mean a few hours of helicopter time I can't afford right now. So it will be another season of finding weaknesses in the rig and continuing to upgrade.
 
Boomer,

Quote: "It will be a while before we are in a position to think about Africa again. Are you going for buff this summer? "

Yes Sir, I've got this Africa bug real bad! I'm doing RSA for plains game July 5-11 th, then straight to Zimbabwe with a different operator for buffalo and whatever July 13-20th. I'm planning another buffalo trip, probably to Tanzania for '08. That last one hinges rather heavily on prying Ultramag's fingers off his check-book.:runaway: :dancingbanana:

Dogleg
 
Dogleg said:
Boomer,

Quote: "It will be a while before we are in a position to think about Africa again. Are you going for buff this summer? "

Yes Sir, I've got this Africa bug real bad! I'm doing RSA for plains game July 5-11 th, then straight to Zimbabwe with a different operator for buffalo and whatever July 13-20th. I'm planning another buffalo trip, probably to Tanzania for '08. That last one hinges rather heavily on prying Ultramag's fingers off his check-book.:runaway: :dancingbanana:

Dogleg

If you are looking for an outfitter for Tanzania contact Chris Hatty at Zuka Safaris +255 748-986-987. Their web page is www.zukaafrica.com. We stayed at their Lukula Camp in LU-2 in the Selous.

I'm envious, but one does what one can. I hope to get back there one day. I found the flights tedious, and wouldn't look forward to that part again.

I got my buff on July 13 last year - my birthday! Hope you do well!
 
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