Interesting explanation of Headspace

Yup.... :D

Parashooter is a really knowlegeable member of many C&R boards in the U.S. I always learn something from his posts and he's even helped me privately with a number of questions and clarifications I've had about my own collection.

Regards,
Badger
 
That's a good one. I know Parashooter as "the guy" when it comes to reloading 41 Swiss (10.4x38/42) for the Swiss Vetterli. The guy puts a lot of effort into very slick posts and this is a great example.

Ahh, good old headspace. By some accounts hundreds of people have been killed because they haven't had it checked...
 
As a Tech. I learned the headspace definitions for 4 different cartridges. And I also know a naughty Definition Of Headspace not fit for this forum, unless your curled up with your girlfriend!
 
Saw that long ago. Good pictures. Good explanation. Except when he says you can adjust headspace on a .303 with loading techniques. That's absolute rubbish. The .303 headspaces on the rim and no amount of changing the loading techniques will fix bad headspace on a .303. The only way is to change the bolt head and test it with proper guages. Tried to respond at the time, but they had already locked the thread.
 
sunray said:
Saw that long ago. Good pictures. Good explanation. Except when he says you can adjust headspace on a .303 with loading techniques. That's absolute rubbish. The .303 headspaces on the rim and no amount of changing the loading techniques will fix bad headspace on a .303. The only way is to change the bolt head and test it with proper guages. Tried to respond at the time, but they had already locked the thread.

Can you explain why his suggestion (neck sizing only, to allow the case to seat on the shoulder like a rimless cartridge, thus moving the rim back) won't work?

Obviously it doesn't fix the underlying problem, but it seems like a practical way to mitigate it.
 
sunray said:
Saw that long ago. Good pictures. Good explanation. Except when he says you can adjust headspace on a .303 with loading techniques. That's absolute rubbish. The .303 headspaces on the rim and no amount of changing the loading techniques will fix bad headspace on a .303. The only way is to change the bolt head and test it with proper guages. Tried to respond at the time, but they had already locked the thread.

I'm not smart enough to understand either the point that parashooter made originally, nor sunray's counterpoint, but I thought it was an interesting enough discussion to ask parashooter to respond with a clarification, after being directed here to read the cross-link originally posted.

Hi Badger

Sunray might read the post a bit more closely. While he's absolutely correct that handloading cannot change the rifle's headspace, he's missed the point that a handloader can control cartridge end-play ("head clearance") by allowing the cartridge to stop on the shoulder instead of the rim. He should look at what's actually posted:

"If you handload, there's no need to mess with bolt heads - changing the rifle's clearances to yield longer case life. You can control head clearance simply by changing technique.

"After you've fire-formed your new cases they will fill the chamber fully, headspacing on the shoulder just like a rimless cartridge. If you neck size, you'll have zero "headspace". If you have to full length size, adjust the die so the cases chamber with just a bit of resistance in the last few degrees of bolt rotation."


Note that "headspace" is in quotes above, simply because it's not really the right term for the dimension. "Cartridge end-play" is probably the most accurate term, but I used "head clearance" in the illustration accompanying the post, so I stuck with that in the text. Many enthusiasts don't fully grasp the difference between headspace, a measurable dimension on the rifle, and cartridge end-play, a dimension existing only when a cartridge is chambered. We tend to use "headspace" for both - which leads to all sorts of confusion such as we see in Sunray's comments.

I'm not registered for the GunNutz forum, but you're welcome to quote this note there.

Hope that helps.

"Parashooter"


Regards,
Badger
 
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