IPSC question re: CZ75 Shadowline

[Morison]

First off, I haven't taken a black badge or dynamic pistol course yet but I've done a bit of reading and want to make sure I understand things right.

I gather the first shot in a stage is to be double action. I thought I read that having the gun in 'half-####' is not considered safe, and that the hammer needs to be fully down to be holstered.

My concern is that the Shadowline does not have a firing pin block, so with the hammer all the way down doesn't that create a greater risk than having the gun in half-####?
If I do need the hammer all the way down, I'm also curious about how to do that with a chambered round.

At the end of the day, I'd probably change guns for IPSC to something with a de-cocker if my understanding is correct.

 

[Happypillz]

You grab the hammer with your thumb and finger hold it tight and depress the trigger and gently put the hammer down facing down range.

You can also shoot your shadow with hammer up but with safety on you would be shooting standard class.

Not sure what dynamic pistol is but you only need black badge for ipsc.

 

[Slavex]

The pinch method is the worst method for decocking short of the one handed version that ends up with the gun firing and spinning off the trigger finger and landing, cocked, pointing at the RO.
Learn to do thumb roll method, pin the hammer to the beaver tail with your weak side thumb, keep it pinned, pull trigger and hold trigger, slowly roll thumb up and AWAY from you, slowly lifting as the hammer pushes. Simple, safe and as close to perfect as we can get decocking

 

[Freedom Ventures]

Oops - wrong thread - pls disregard.

 

[Onagoth]

Is it possible for a gun to fire with the hammer all the way down? To say another way, if something hit the hammer hard enough from behind, would the lack of a FPB allow the gun to fire? I've never heard of this happening and it seems like a 'sky is falling' type risk.

To me, a fully decocked/hammer down gun is perfectly safe. But do not worry, lots of people (including myself) were apprehensive about dropping the hammer manually the first few times. With practice, there is almost no risk to this maneouver. I have never seen a shot fired by someone dropping the hammer manually.

 

[D_]

Is it possible for a gun to fire with the hammer all the way down? To say another way, if something hit the hammer hard enough from behind, would the lack of a FPB allow the gun to fire? ...

Yes if the pistol comes without a firing pin block(FPB) or you have removed the FPB - deemed to be legal in PD if a custom option from the manufacturer (CZ).

The pinch method is the worst method for decocking short of the one handed version that ends up with the gun firing and spinning off the trigger finger and landing, cocked, pointing at the RO.
Learn to do thumb roll method, pin the hammer to the beaver tail with your weak side thumb, keep it pinned, pull trigger and hold trigger, slowly roll thumb up and AWAY from you, slowly lifting as the hammer pushes. Simple, safe and as close to perfect as we can get decocking

Worst technique is the single handed method with hammer dropping with thumb. I used to pinch with left hand and ride my third finger down behind the hammer a long the frame. Kind of using both techniques stated previously and mashed them together because I had both of them fail me when tired and that big competition rear sight is a pain to get into the skin.

 

[Easy 9mm]

If the hammer is down and a round is chambered with the gun in your holster, for something to strike the hammer and have enough energy to move it and the firing pin enough to ignite the primer... well, you would have a better chance at winning the lottery while simultaneously being struck by lightning.

It would be interesting if there was ever a case of this actually happening. Especially during an IPSC match where you load and make ready off the clock (if it's an unloaded start and on the clock, first shot can be single action).

 

[Onagoth]

If the hammer is down and a round is chambered with the gun in your holster, for something to strike the hammer and have enough energy to move it and the firing pin enough to ignite the primer... well, you would have a better chance at winning the lottery while simultaneously being struck by lightning.

That's what I was thinking...

 

[Slavex]

@D_ yeah that's the method I mention as being worse than the pinch. I DQ'd a guy for doing the one handed decock, gun fired, gun spun around at least twice on his trigger finger, then spun off, still spinning and landed on the beaver tail pointing directly at me. I had to shove the competitor out of the way so he couldn't grab it in mid air (he tried). He then tried to argue that it was a mechanical failure not a DQ'able offense.... yeah. some people

 

[Morison]

Thanks for the feedback.