IPSC scoring question

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Quick question:

When one looks at the results from a match on the IPSC site, what does the points score mean?

Example (points):

Classic: 390
Open: 400
Production: 370
Revolver: 410
Standard: 400

Have no idea what the points imply overall, if anything.
Input would be appreciated.
Thanks
 
You usually see a hit factor- points divided by time. Also there is a percentage give for the top shooter who gets 100% and everyone else is on a curve from there. It's rather complicated and easiest figured out by a computer but some people can figure it out in their head. Those other numbers I'm unsure about.
 
TACTICAL111 said:
Quick question:

When one looks at the results from a match on the IPSC site, what does the points score mean?

Example (points):

Classic: 390
Open: 400
Production: 370
Revolver: 410
Standard: 400

Have no idea what the points imply overall, if anything.
Input would be appreciated.
Thanks
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Match points. Total stage points for the match.
Comstock scoring is points/time = hit factor (points per second). He who has the highest hit factor wins the stage and is awarded 100% of the available points for the stage. Everyone else is factored as a relative percentage of the winner. All stage points amalgamated at the end yields relative position for each competitor and each Division.

Simple right ;-)
 
^^ Apologies guys, lol.
I'm a simple skeet competitor and get confused easily.

Do these numbers mean anything?
Lets say my buddy is tops in Production and scores 390 and the top Standard shoots 389.
Does we win overall?
I don't get it. I have thick skin, so bring it. Just looking for answers.
 
Relliot gives a pretty good explanation of how it works that I'll add to. (Also, you can find the rule book here.)

With the IPSC targets, there are three scoring zones: A, C and D. A is worth 5 points for any power factor, C is worth 4 for major PF and 3 points for minor PF, and then D is worth 2 points for major and 1 for minor.

So lets say there is a stage with 4 targets that require 2 hits on each, that would be a maximum score of 40 points possible in that stage(8 hits total X 5 points). In IPSC, it is also timed and that is used to determine your hit factor. If a person was able to get 31 of the possible 40 points in 5 seconds, you take the 31 points and divide by 5 to get a hit factor of 6.20. Now lets say another competitor got 39 points, but it took 5.5 seconds. His hit factor would be 7.09. If it was just the two people for that stage the second person has the best hit factor and he is awarded full points on that stage (so he would get 40 points for the stage). The first competitor's hit factor works out to 87% of the second, so he is awarded 87% of the maximum (so he would get 35 points for the stage). The totals would be added for all the stages at the end of the match, and the guy with the highest total is the match winner. (The divisions are kept separate when adding the stage scores. Also I partly rounded off numbers to make it easier, normally they go to the fourth decimal point)

Hope that clears up the scoring system a little further. And if I made a mistake in there, someone will be along shortly to correct me.:p


smiley1 said:
I've found it easiest to compare hit factors between classes.
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I'm guessing you mean between divisions?

OP, don't compare standard to production or to any of the other divisions. There are differences between the equipment and major/minor scoring requirements when it comes to different divisions. For example, there is no major power factor (PF) for production; and major power factor requirement is higher for standard and classic than it is for open division. (IPSC power factor = bullet weight in grains X speed in fps, divide by 1000)
 
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Disagree, I only compare Production to Standard and Open to gauge how well I shot a stage

Easy 9mm said:
OP, don't compare standard to production or to any of the other divisions. There are differences between the equipment and major/minor scoring requirements when it comes to different divisions. For example, there is no major power factor (PF) for production; and major power factor requirement is higher for standard and classic than it is for open division. (IPSC power factor = bullet weight in grains X speed in fps, divide by 1000)
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you have to use hit factor for each stage to be able to compare the different divisions. For example this past weekend on a short stage the high hit factor for open was 6.93355, Standard was 4.2885, production was 3.8233 and Classic was 3.9963. Each of the first place competitors got the 45 points available for the stage however if you combine them all together then the standard shooter would have only gotten 27.8253, the production shooter would have gotten 24.8069 and the classic shooter would have gotten 25.9294.

Clear as mud.
 
Easy breakdown. Your hit factor is your score, it's compared against all other hit factors on a stage. Your HF is divided by the winning (or highest) HF. This determines your percentage on a stage. That percentage is multiplied against the maximum number of stage points (determined by the number of rounds shot on the stage x 5) and this determines your stage points. Stage points are tallied at the end of the match to determine the winner. Short version: hit factor determines who wins a stage, stage points totalled up determines who wins the match.
So if you shoot a 7.500 hit factor on a stage and the winner shot an 8.500hf. 7.5/8.5= 88.2352%
If its a 120 point stage: 120x0.882352=105.8822
So you earned 105.8822 stage points. Total this with your other stages and you'll know how you did in the match.
 
TACTICAL111 said:
Lets say my buddy is tops in Production and scores 390 and the top Standard shoots 389.
Does we win overall?
I don't get it. I have thick skin, so bring it. Just looking for answers.
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No, you can't compare the results (in points) in different divisions against each other as they are scored seperately and only against other competitors in the same division. Hit Factors give you a idea how well a competitor shot a stage regardless of division as it is a rating of points against time.
 
SVISTI1911 said:
No, you can't compare the results (in points) in different divisions against each other as they are scored seperately and only against other competitors in the same division. Hit Factors give you a idea how well a competitor shot a stage regardless of division as it is a rating of points against time.
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I'm sorry guys, please bare with me.
If YOU are shooting Production (minor) against yer mate who is shooting Standard (minor) and you're other mate who is shooting Open (minor) does it matter points wise?
Lets say everyone scores 400, is it a tie? Do we all have to buy beers....how do we decide?

Thanks
 
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at a match each Division is scored separately. So you can't have a tie between divisions. The odd match will have a high overall winner for the person with the most points, but I've only seen those in the US, not sure if it's been done in Canada. It's also pretty much impossible to have a tie for a Divisional winner of a multi stage match due to how the math is done. I suppose it could happen, but it would be hard. The points that decide a match are Match Points, not stage points. Lets say it's a 100 point maximum stage and you are the stage winner, but you only shot 70 points. You'd still get 100 Match points for that win. And everyone else below you would get X number of points based on their percentage of your Hit Factor.
If you want to compare how you are doing vs buddies in other divisions only compare Hit Factors, the points are meaningless. Lets say Open has only a bunch of really bad shooters in it, the good shooters are all at home sick. The match winner in Open is still going to be the one with the most Match Points. But you might have slaughtered him in Hit Factors on every stage in Production, but only come in 20th overall in Production because there were a bunch of good shooters in PD.

Make sense?

Now I said up above that I don't compare myself to other Production shooters at matches, that I compare myself to Open and Standard. Why? Because in Canada there are about 5 of us who are in the top at the major matches, everyone else is considerably lower than us. Now that's changing as other shooters get better, or good shooters from other Divisions come play in our yard. It's also because we are now seeing that in most cases the top shooters in all divisions are really damn close on most stages. I've been bumped to Open a couple times at matches and ended up 4th overall and 6th overall with percentages in the high 90s. Outside of Canada, when I'm at an international match, I'll pay far more attention to other PD shooters, as I'm now in the middle bracket compared to the top guys over there. I'll squeak out the odd stage win, and some decent finishes, but usually I end up in the high 80s or low 90s of guys like Bob Vogel. If we had more competition like that here in Production Division in Canada, I'd pay more attention.
 
You are only scored against competitors in your own division. Production against Production, Standard against Standard, Open against Open and Classic against Classic regardless of power factor. Shooting minor in your division just puts you at a scoring disadvantage for hits in the C or D scoring zones as they score less then a hit would in Major power factor in the same scoring zone. A zone hits are the same value in Major or Minor, so if you shoot accurately in minor it makes no difference.

The equipment for each division is to different to compare them against each other fairly. Production is supposed to be stock guns with no/limited mods. Standard allows for many mods. but no scopes or compensators and the gun must fit in the box. Classic is old school single stack 1911s with few mods allowed and in Open everything goes including compensators and red dot scopes. It would be like racing a Mustang from your local dealership (Production) against customized Corvette (Standard) against a F1 Ferrari (Open). That being said equipment will only get you so far. A Grand Master class shooter will out preform a D class shooter regardless of which firearm either uses.

There are regional classifications that rank shooters against the top shooters but that again is based on division standing.

What's the best way to decide who buys the beer? My suggestion everyone buys a round! Failing that, who ever has the most misses, D hits or who ever has the least A hits?
 
SVISTI1911 said:
No, you can't compare the results (in points) in different divisions against each other as they are scored separately and only against other competitors in the same division. Hit Factors give you a idea how well a competitor shot a stage regardless of division as it is a rating of points against time.
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Ya, like he said..... stop mixing production with standard, etc.... they do not get put together for an overall... each division is separate and only compared to itself for who won, the match etc... regardless if an open guy has 440 points and a production guy has 220, etc.... you do not say oh, that open guy beat the production top guy, cause we don't count it like that... the open guy won open and production guy won production, standard guy won standard, etc...and that's it.
You can, on a personal note, compare your results to other divisions, to see how you did, but that's just you at home playing with yourself...:p
nothing to do with official results, etc...

As others have said, a shooter can use his/her hit factor and compare to others to see if lower or higher.
Regardless of division, if you have hit factor of 4.9878.. and someone else in another division has 4.4955, then you shot that stage better than them, but if not in same division, it doesn't mean anything for match results, but for your own reference, you can compare.
 
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