IPSC shooting with a Sig Sauer P226 X5 X-press

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Hi guys, I ordered a Sig Sauer P226 X5 X-Press Pistol from Cabelas. It has not shipped yet so I want to find out if I screwed up.

I am intending on taking my blackbadge course and getting into IPSC. Thinking I would be starting in production.

I need to know if this pistol will be suitable and in what category?

If it is not going to meet my need I would cancel the order before it is shipped.


I sent an email to IPSC canada and got this back for a reply.

If a specific model is not shown on the list as Approved, it is not approved.

Also note that the subject model is described as *single-action-only*, but SAO guns are prohibited in IPSC Production Division. However, that model might be suitable for IPSC Standard Division if it fits the IPSC box.

See: http://www.cabelas.ca/product/61720/sig-sauer-p226-x5-x-press-pistol

Is standard division a good starting place? Been shooting paper for a few years. Have a M&P 9 range kit and a CZ 75B. Just wanted to step up and purchase another pistol. Tried this one out last week from another shooter and fell in love with it.

Appreciate your inputs.

Thanks , Kevin
 
Here is a copy of approved Sits. You can file the list at IPSC.org lower left of the page:

P220, P220-1, P224, P225, P228, P229, P239, P250, P250DCc, P2009, SPC2009, SP2020, SP2022, SP2340

P226, P226 Tactical Operations, P226 E2, P226ST, P226 Sport II SL ohne Schiene, P226SL, P226SL Black, P226 Xpress, P226 X-Five Allround, P226 X-Five Tactical (not SAO version), P226R DAK, P226DAO, P226R, P226R Two Tone, P226 SAS, P226 Blackwater, P226 Equinox, P226 Stainless, P226 AL-SO, P226 SL-SO, P226 Sport Stock, P226 X-Five SO (SA/DA version only), P226 Navy, P226 SCT, P226 Elite, P226 Blackwater Tactical, P226 Combat, P226 Combat TB, P226 USPSA (Black & Two Tone), P226 Platinum Elite, P226 Enhanced Elite, P226 Elite Dark, P226 Gadsden, P226-SL-SO-BT, P226-MK25, P226 Elite Stainless, P226 Elite Dark TB, P226 Scorpion, P226 Scorpion TB, P226 X-Five SO Capsicum

Models listed above which do not have the "P226" designation engraved on their slide are also approved, provided the configuration is otherwise the same.

SP2009, SP2022 (including Nitron and Diamond Plate versions), SP2340

Also approved are P220, P229, P239 equivalents of approved P226 models with maximum 5" barrel length.

Not Approved: P220 X-Zone, P220 Sport, P226 HSP, P226 Sport, P226 Sport II SL mit Schiene, P226 X-Five, P226 X-Five Competition, P226 X-Six, P226R Crimson Trace

If you are shooting 9 mm in standard you will be giving up points and it will hurt. Guys will say just shot A's but then you will be giving up time. If it was that simple the tops guys would be doing it.
 
Hunter850 said:
Thinking I would be starting in production.

I need to know if this pistol will be suitable and in what category?
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From the Sig website:

X-PRESS
SIG SAUER offers the X-PRESS with its 5 inch slide in 9mm and .40 as an attractively priced solid steel beginner model. As an SAO system (not adjustable) with plastic grip plates, a 17 (9mm) / 12 (.40) round magazine and adapter plate with rigid sights. The X-PRESS can naturally be upgraded at any time.

It looks like you'll be Standard Division or Open Division with this pistol, NOT Production.

There is nothing wrong with starting in SD, but if you ordered the 9mm model you will be shooting minor and that will put you at a disadvantage relative to those shooting major PF.

As you've asked for input, here's mine:

Put the funds for your Sig in the bank. Do the Black Badge with your M&P 9 - make sure you have sufficient magazines to compete (5). Shoot a few matches (with the M&P 9) and get a feel for the sport. When you've got 4-6 matches under your belt, decide which division you want to be in and spend the banked funds on a gun that is more appropriate for the division you want to compete in.

The best advice is: run what you have, don't buy a gun for IPSC with no experience in shooting IPSC. (Unless you're buying something that's "industry standard" i.e. CZ Shadow, Tanfo Stock II, STI Edge, etc.)
 
I just did my black badge with an M&P40 in an indoor range with concrete floors and 2 of my 5 mags broke from hitting the concrete during reloads....My advice is to have at least 6 mags in case it happens to you....Im lucky that there was another guy there shooting with an M&P40 who let me use one of his mags when he wasn't shooting.....Also if your M&P has the mag disconnect its a pain as you have to insert an empty mag everytime to pull the trigger before you holster....
 
snipz said:
I just did my black badge with an M&P40 in an indoor range with concrete floors and 2 of my 5 mags broke from hitting the concrete during reloads....My advice is to have at least 6 mags in case it happens to you....Im lucky that there was another guy there shooting with an M&P40 who let me use one of his mags when he wasn't shooting.....Also if your M&P has the mag disconnect its a pain as you have to insert an empty mag everytime to pull the trigger before you holster....
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Interesting point. I was watching an IPSC shoot on the weekend which was also inside on concrete. I was wondering if that did happen. My GSG mag fell off the bench on to concrete floor at the club and it broke the bottom plastic all to pieces. Fortunately I found an aluminum replacement for it in the US.
 
You guys have to explain that when you get into IPSC its a whole other animal. If you think ammo is to expensive then stop right now. My buddy and I shot around 5500 rounds this year and its still not over. I shoot Standard Major, and .40 isnt the cheapest ammo around. I tell everyone that asks. IPSC is for fun and learning, your not gonna get rich or win any money unless your sponsored or Eric Grauffel. If you like 9 then shoot 9, who cares what everyone else is doing. Have fun and remember Accuracy comes first All Alphas no Mikes and speed will follow on its own.
 
SgtMjr said:
I don't understand this sentence.
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Major scoring calibers (.40 and .38super/9major) in standard and open divisions score 5/4/2 points for the A/C/D zones, respectively. Minor scoring calibers (generally in production division, but also in open and standard if the power factor (speed x velocity) is not high enough) score 5/3/1 points for the A/C/D zones.

What Walter is saying is that IF you are able to shoot all A's, then you're scoring the same points no matter if you're shooting minor vs major power factor ammunition. However, there isn't really a shooter capable of that level of accuracy unless they're slowing down to improve their hits, in which case, they're sacrificing time in order to do so.
 
I have also seen a few X fives that when equiped with the factory mag well and fixed sights did not fit the IPSC box so they were bumped to open division.
 
mrclean said:
I have also seen a few X fives that when equiped with the factory mag well and fixed sights did not fit the IPSC box so they were bumped to open division.
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Glad I cancelled my order in time, before it was shipped. Got to fast on the purchase button before doing my research. Luckily this time the paperwork was not finished so the pistol was not shipped out. Started my normal procedure of doing a lot of research and reading before jumping in. Thanks guys for the input it saved me a whole lot of trouble and frustration having a pistol that would not have been a starter for IPSC, especially when I have a couple good pistols already.
 
If you are sold on the idea of a Sig, there are Production legal X5s available. you'll be starting Double Action first shot, which on those models isn't bad, then having a beauty of a follow up shot in Single Action.
 
the all round X5 would fit the bill in standard. however i think a shadow or a glock with a reworked trigger is the norm in production. shooting 9 in standard is a handicap unless you shoot for fun only. i know i can make major with the 9 using 3n37 powder,but to this point recoil is much more manageable with the mighty fourthy round than with a pumped up 9mm .
 
9 Major is not an approved caliber for Standard Division.

APPENDIX D2: Standard Division
5. Minimum bullet caliber for Major 10mm (0.40”) see below
17. 357SIG is also an approved caliber for Major, subject to achieving the applicable minimum power factor. This
concession has been extended until 31 December 2014.
 
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